FMT600 & D1 Driving Licence

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  1. Any other units experiencing issues with insufficient numbers of people having the above and limited or no opportunity for people to get them?

    For those who don't know;
    The FMT600 is the MOD driving licence which aurthorises you to drive whatever vehicles you have included on it.

    D1 is the driving licence catagory for driving minibuses (I believe up to 13 seater?) and light goods vehicles. It was automatically put on licences issued before 1997 but anyone passing from 1998 onwards doesn't get it.

    As time goes on less and less people have D1 and there doesn't seem to be anyone making an effort to get poeple qualified.

    Also, is it true that the FMNT600 only qualifies you to drive those vehicles contained on it for the issuing unit? I.E You can drive the Tilly for HMS SUCH N SUCH but not HMS WHATCHAMACALLIT.

    Hiring and fueling a couple of people carriers when a tilly will do must get expensive.

    Also the same old faces are getting a little peeved at being pinged to drive all the time because nobody else has the licence - especially after an eight hour + day at work.
  2. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Then who's the fool? Those who can drive but do not have/want a D1 Cat. on their licence for exactly that reason (so as not getting pinged for Duty Driver) or those who do have D1 Cat. on their licence and then - being well aware of the EU regulations about driving hours and rest periods - are happy to climb in the seat of a minibus full of passengers without considering the risk to them or other road users? You cannot force someone to drive a vehicle, so they cannot then blame their superior at the subsequent Inquiry when an accident occurred due to them being tired. (Likewise, I doubt you can force somebody to have their licence endorsed with the D1 Cat., unless their job/role specifically requires it).

    If there is a shortage of licence holders at Unit level, then perhaps a contract for duty journeys is outsourced to local transport companies/taxi firms. When the travel budget is blown because of this, questions will then be asked by those at Head Shed about the lack of willing and able drivers.
  3. Doesn't this licensing business now come under something called 'James'. Another one of the MoD acronyms for computerised MT mayhem.
  4. FMTs are a little of a grey area. Speak to the Army and you can't drive anything if it isn't on your FMT, matrix test is required in the UK and if you haven't driven a type of vehicle for longer than a year you must be re-familiarised on it. As Waspie said, JAMES is their tool.

    RN? No FMT600 issued if all you are going to drive is White Fleet.

    RAF - Why drive when there's a MT department full of drivers to ferry you anywhere and everywhere?
  5. I don't recall mentioning that they were driving more than the EU regulations allow or that they were ignoring rest periods. If you read my post again you will see that I mention people working all day and then driving after work. I never mentioned them driving all day. Have you ever driven home after a long day? They get breaks before and during journeys. The point being that there are a limited number of qualified people and as time goes on the ratio of D1 quallified and not D1 qualified is getting less and less. This will also apply to the full timers in any service. The difference being that regulars can be given time to go and do the course whereby there is little opportunity for reservists to do a week long course because they have full time jobs and have to squeeze in other career courses which are deemed more important.

    Exemptions from the EU driving rules- Vehicles owned or hired without a driver by the armed services, civil defence services, fire services and forces responsible for maintaining public order, when the carriage is undertaken as a consequence of the tasks assigned to these services and is under there control.
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2012
  6. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Calm down, dear Trehorn - you're becoming rather emotional over nothing. Although I am flattered that you get a hard-on for everything I post, you're really not my type... :oops:

    Personnel (Reservists or full-time) getting time off or budget approval for driver training has been an emotive issue for many years. The RN is full of lads and lasses who could and should be drivers but, for a variety of reasons, are not able to do so. The RNR is no different, nor should it be. If somebody is truly determined to get a suitable driving licence - through Pusser or otherwise - then they will have to find the time or means to do so. If not, then suck it up. The RN/RNR employs people due to their core skills/trade or specialisation, not their secondary/tertiary qualifications. As you can imagine I have driven a variety of vehicles in my career but I can categorically state that I have never used Service funds to pay for my driver training - I used my own funds and leave to do it outside of my full-time job.
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  7. Who's emotional? I was just pointing out a couple of flaws in your sarcastic post.:hump:

    You may not have seen this issue arise too often but it's happening more and more. How many people do you know who would use there D1 capability regular enough in civvy street to warrant putting themselves through the test? I don't know any. The only time I have ever felt the need for it is when on RNR business.

    The number of times when PSI's tell you they'll send a minibus when you've requested a couple of people carriers is increasing. The reason we've asked for 7 seaters in the first place is because nobody has the licence to drive the buses. If the mob want to keep on spending cash on seperate vehicles then that's fine. I've just had the same issue on course. One person out of 20 with D1 on their licence and she didn't have an FMT600.

    I've put it out for discussion to see if other units have the same problem.
  8. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    (Which was the point I was trying to make...) :oops:
  9. Does this not count?

    Genuine question. I don't drive for a living and found this while googling.

    Domestic rules exemptions
    [FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]The following groups are exempt from the domestic drivers’ hours rules:
    [/FONT][FONT=Wingdings 3,Wingdings 3][FONT=Wingdings 3,Wingdings 3]u
    [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]drivers of vehicles used by the Armed Forces, the police and fire brigade; [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Wingdings 3,Wingdings 3][FONT=Wingdings 3,Wingdings 3]u
    [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]drivers who always drive off the public road system; and [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Wingdings 3,Wingdings 3][FONT=Wingdings 3,Wingdings 3]u
    [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]private driving, i.e. not in connection with a job or in any way to earn a living.[/FONT][/FONT]
  10. Brings old thread back from the dead......

    Just to note that the RNR Logs Branch need D1/FMT 600 to get advanced beyond AB1; therfore RN do have a requirement to supply such training, and in a package/time frame appropriate to RNR. Driver training in the MOD as a whole is a bizzarly drawn out affair. Driving schools need to adjust their timetables to accomadate the RNR/TA/RAFx, not the other way round.

    Allows thread to go back to sleep......
  11. An exemption doesn't mean we don't comply. My No2 maintains an driver record card while on duty, on this he records his periods of work, rest, breaks and driving throughout the duty period. We fully conform to drivers hours regulations where possible.

    I don't think that exemption would stand as a defence up in court if you were being charged with causing death by dangerous driving having fallen asleep at the wheel of a pussers tilly while driving somewhere following a full day at work.

    I do agree with you however, as we get older, the number who have D1 automatically on their licence is getting smaller. Consequently those that do have it will always get stitched to drive. In my current unit out of 21 people only 3 of us have D1.
  12. You'd be amazed, or maybe not at the amount of people who get sent to the Driver Training Dept at RNAS Culdrose for D1 training and don't even bother to bring the required documentation or don't even turn up at all hence a lot of wasted instructor hours and untrained personnel.
  13. tiddlyoggy

    tiddlyoggy War Hero Book Reviewer

    It doesn't help that some people are put off or unable to pass the matrix test because nearly half of the questions are about trams or horses, not particualrly relevant is it?
  14. You're not wrong there! I fail to see the reason why I must do the matrix test annually if I hold a full UK licence. WTF do I need to know about when I must wear a helmet on a horse? As for trams - surely that's only relevant in Blackpool!

    For the record, I did pass it...... On the 3rd attempt! Only took me 2 goes to do the German one

  15. I take it you failed then?
  16. tiddlyoggy

    tiddlyoggy War Hero Book Reviewer

    Oddly enough, I pissed it first time I took it, second time (when I started a new draft, even though FMT was still in date!) it took me 2 attempts.
  17. how do you renew your fmt 600?
    I rang the MT section at my base as my fmt expired while I was at sea and they told me that I have to go on the DVLA website type in my national insurance number and I will get a code from the DVLA and then I need to get that printed off and take it in with my driving licence but the DVLA website is gash and unhelpful and has got me proper thredders. Does anyone know the link?

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