FME Presentation - Could Use a Hand

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  1. We have to do an FME presentation on 'present punishments in the Royal Navy'. I'm on the net now looking for what I can off google and wikipedia but it's not going very well at the moment. If any of you have any tips on what makes a good FME presentation, or you know of some present punishments and can list a few, or, you can point me to a good source of info on modern Navy punishments I'd appreciate it. I do know of a few already but nothing substantial.

  2. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Hello Helios, hope the training is going well!

    Obviously your best source of reference is probably SgtPB on here. See if you can get a copy of the Green Guide from the discipline office, that'll give you the whole lot. Queens Regulations Royal Navy (QRRNs BR2) & BR11 will also assist, as will the Articles of War.

    There's quite a few contentious issues with regard current punishments & human rights:

    Not sure which still exits (you'll have to check) but they are all recent punishments: Consequential punishment: if you go to civil court, you lose a day's pay & then have to "request consequential punishment", always seen as being punished twice for the same crime & only applicable to rating,not officers.

    Stoppage of Leave & Second Class, where the individual is only allowed ashore under escort & in full number one uniform.

    Number 9's- extra work & drill

    Number 10's likewise

    The concept of fining someone a day's pay after they arrive for work 10 minutes late is also rather contentious.

    Hope that gives you something to start with!
  3. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Presentation tips;

    1. Start with an introduction. A bit about you and what points you're going to cover (bullet points). If necessary, state what you're NOT going to cover- ie the morality of the punishments or the "messdeck lawyer" syndrome.
    2. State whether you wan to deal with questions as they arise or have Q & A's at the end. (Feed a couple of mates some questions to get the ball rolling)
    3. Follow a set plan, don't deviate.
    4. Summarise at the end, invite further questions.
    5. Don't read your facts- know them.
    6. Keep strictly within the allocated timescale.
    7. Keep it interesting & use as much visual aids as possible to stimulate interest.
    8. If you use humour, be careful, don't lose overall control & make sure 's relevant.

    Good luck.

    Edited as I appear to have sprouted 3 thumbs whilst typing this!
  4. If I remember correctly:
    No 9's - Extra work and musters at silly times
    No 14's - Musters at silly times (no extra work)

    Second class - Able to go ashore if you could find someone who'd escort you. Also liable to mustering in ANY rig at silly times.

    The adrift thing as Ninja said was (don't know if still is) a days pay for every hour your adrift and 'double bubble' if the ship was under sailing orders.

    I'm sure our resident 'rat catchers dog' SGT P will be able to assist you.
  5. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator


    Fair points, I'm trying to stimulate participation, not initiate an Us/Them debate, so my post was deliberately provocative- my apologies.

    With regard Officer/Rating penalties, there's probably little difference in the outcome, just the way they are applied. If you take a day off work, you can expect to be stopped a day's pay.
  6. Am I correct in thinking that Officers can't be adrift? They just get a one on one with the skipper, negative coffee and cigars?!
  7. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Whether that's right or not, I do find it amusing!
  8. witsend

    witsend War Hero Book Reviewer

    MAA (minor administrative action) seems to be the way the powers that be want us to go. Instead of trooping a member of the crew for being 10 mins adrift or being scruffy etc you inform them your taking MAA against them. Having never needed to troop any1 in 18 years i m not sure what the proceedure is exactly, but i believe you inform there DO, fill in some form and have it signed by the skipper. The punishment is extra work or extra duties.

    Can't speak for any1 else or departments but in most cases of being adrift the said person was given the choice, be trooped or work a extra hour of 2 after secure. I believe MAA has been brought in to counter the effect that everyone now has the right to a trial for any offence instead of summary execution.
  9. If you have time, what about two or three case studies? Case studies can promote discussion eg Leave expires at 0730, man arrives at 0725 to find the ship is leaving the berth. Guilty or not guilty? I got 7 days stoppage (Still rankles afte 45 years).

    A lttle humour goes along way.
  10. witsend

    witsend War Hero Book Reviewer

    HaHa Sounds like theres more to that story than your letting on Sulzer.
  11. I remember vividly having suicide leave in Gib in 87, all leave expiring at 2359. There must of been about 30 of us on the flight deck at about 0020 all adrift, the Joss rubbing his hands with glee. At that point the skipper bimbled up the gangway and said "MAA, if your going to troop those members of my ships company, then you've got to troop me too". We never did get trooped!
  12. Don't know, but even now in my 25th year I still enjoy calling them 'Chief'!!
  13. witsend

    witsend War Hero Book Reviewer

    LOL,,,,being a sundodger i enjoy the look on there faces when there called coxswain
  14. I'm a CT and did my first boat trip last year (very enjoyable too), I remember the Coxwain on the boat saying that whenever he got called 'Master' his reply would be along the lines of 'Do I look like a lowly paid Chief Regulator'! Made me chuckle.
  15. witsend

    witsend War Hero Book Reviewer

    Had a few of you guys onboard earlier this year, great brunch of guys, even the crabfat. Had some good banter. Speaking to them it seemed you boys do a hell of alot of seatime on different boats & ships.
  16. I've done over 14 years on ships/boats so would agree with you on that one. All good fun!

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