Flying pay - why?

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  1. Why do some WAFUs get flying pay?

    It's not any more dangerous than working on a ship, is it?

    Submariners' extra pay - fair enough; compensation for cramped conditions and no daylight for months on end.
    Diving pay - also fair due to potential health effects.
    But what's the justification for flying pay?

    Safeguard non-bite.
  2. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    Long time to train them, and it costs lots of money to do so. Then they get tempted by airlines who can pick up trained candidates for little investment and pay them very large amounts in the process. Flying pay tries to act as a retention measure.

    When we start seeing submarine airways, then we may also see increased submarine pay ;-)
  3. Er,.. Air France are trying, dont be picky. :D :D
  4. You're a bad man Rumrat. Ace!
  5. That is so wrong. lmao though
  6. tiddlyoggy

    tiddlyoggy War Hero Book Reviewer

    WAFU's need the extra dosh to spend on hair gel/after shave etc.
  7. Remember talking to a FAA pilot at Hal Far 63/64 about flying pay (Sea Venoms and Meteors FFS). I said "that's quite a bit of cash". He replied "Yes, but usually, they don't have to pay you for very long".
    Deserve every penny they earn IMHO.
  8. I was in receipt of flying pay for a few years.

    It is paid as the there is a sever risk of those marvelous flying machines falling out of the sky. :? It also reflects the same levels of professionalism as submariners/divers.

    The training, as has been mentioned is very long, even for a rating it spans a few years and has been bandied about that even ratings may go to Direct Entry with formal qualifications to reflect the knowledge base required.

    Aircrew is not about Gucci gear and looking cool. It is dangerous work and the pay reflects not just the danger but the proffessionalism too.

    Yes I'm biased.

    Yes I changed my underwear a few times when it started to go wrong.

    But at the end of the day I'd do it again. (But not without the SSP)
  9. It's like saying,"why do some fish-heads get Sub pay?"

    Granted, pilots get FEP even when driving a desk. Maybe if the Admiralty stopped that then we'd have more money for Future Carrier etc. Flying Maintainers only get pay IF THEY FLY, why can't this be mirrored in the Aircrew Branch? Too many occifers would lose out, that's why!

    Rant over.
  10. I think you will find specialist pay is only retained for 2 years from discontinuing specialist activities. Well it used to be!

    Flying maintainers are only classed as casual fliers. And you hardly get flying maintainers flying behind enemy lines tracking blades or monitoring exhaust temps do you. The pay is there for a reason.

    I put up with the petty gripes for 15+ years. Always revolved around pay.
  11. Excellent article. Here is another one for the Uninitated on this thread :angel7: Sea Vixen was a front line Carrier Borne Fighter Aircraft with the Royal Navy from 1959/1972. It was a mean looking, noisy machine that filled onlookers with awe. There were 55 Accidents involving loss of Airframe. Out of these 55 accidents 30 were fatal. In 21 of the fatal accidents both operating Aircrew were lost. The loss of 51 Royal Navy Aircrew lives in peace time was enormous.

    145 Sea Vixens were built. The loss rate was 37.93%. The fatality rate within those losses was 54.54%. :salute: :salute: :salute: I dont suppose any one of those brave aircrew were in the job for Flying pay!!! just doing something that they loved doing!!!! FLYING
  12. I was lucky enough to find out I wasn't cut out to be a pilot, not that I actually wanted to be one, through getting flying lessons. You get flying pay because not every one is capable of being a pilot, it takes a lot of extra training to be one, and it takes a lot of skill. At the end of the day because there are never really enough pilots they get paid more than normal mortals where eveer they work, so if the RN needs aircrew it need both to reward the skills and pay the going rate.

    Mind you on the other hand submariners should get higher ssp than aircrew because unlike airdrew they do it 24/7 rather than just for an hour or two now and then
  13. Have you ever been in an aircraft with an RN pilot? Do you know how long it takes civvy airlines to re-train the buggers?
    There's a damn good reason for that pay!
  14. As a general service 'skimmer' I did fly in various helicopters in my time and was impressed with the skill of the pilots. Conversely, I worked and socialised with a good few pilots and there were several who were excellent company but who I would never wish to fly with! Indeed there were two who I vowed I would NEVER fly with!
  15. To paraphrase the advert, "...cos we're worth it..."
  16. :lol: :lol: Nice one Delia
  17. I would never dispute that naval aviation is a dangerous game (in my time more naval personnell have been killed in helicopters than any other duty reason I can think of), but the Armed Forces Pay Reveiw Body puts it fairly clearly. A pasted extract from this year's (39th) report:

    3.15  We have assessed MOD’s proposals carefully given that Aircrew retention has been a longstanding problem. Successive major reviews since 2001 have sought to retain Aircrew through significant increases to Flying Pay, new and modified FRIs, and the introduction of the PAS. These accompanied other measures to support manning through bringing training capacity up to requirement and addressing non-remuneration measures. In this respect, we continue to hear on our visits that retention is influenced 
    by a mix of financial measures and the importance attached to improving career management and family stability.

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