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Fleet Strength News from Westminster

I thought the following written answer in Hansard might interest those RR'ers interested in the size of the Fleet.

Commons Hansard: 6 Dec 07, Cols.1411-1412W

Mr. Scott: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many Royal Navy ships are (a) operational, (b) in reserve, (c) available for sale to a foreign navy and (d) waiting to be scrapped.

Mr. Bob Ainsworth: The Royal Navy has a total of 75 surface vessels available for operations at various states of readiness ranging from those that are available immediately to those that may require 365 days or more notice to deploy. I am withholding information about the readiness states of most Royal Navy vessels as its release would, or would be likely to, prejudice the capability, effectiveness or security of our armed forces. The exceptions are for those in refit and the aircraft carrier HMS Invincible. Three vessels are currently in refit and at Low or Very Low Readiness (typically between 91 and 365 days notice). HMS Invincible is at a lower readiness state than any other RN vessel and although she is capable of being returned to active duty in the Fleet (at about 18 months notice), there are no plans or requirement at this time to do so.

In addition to the 75 surface vessels available for operations, four vessels are currently available for Government to Government sale; two of these have recently been sold for recycling and three are awaiting sale for recycling.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
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Re: Skimmer/Target News from Westminster

Wow 75 surface vessels, eh?

Presumably we count the rowing boats on Southsea lake?
 

tommo

War Hero
Re: Skimmer/Target News from Westminster

I taker they are counting the P2000's as well lol
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Re: Skimmer/Target News from Westminster

Correct as of Nov 07 (I make it 74; think the 'learned friend' counted HMS Dumbarton Castle too... :?

Major Surface Combatants

Invincible-class Aircraft carriers (2)
HMS Illustrious (R06)
HMS Ark Royal (R07) - flagship of the active fleet

Type 42 destroyers (8)
Sheffield class batches 1 & 2 Type 42 destroyer:
HMS Exeter (D89)
HMS Southampton (D90)
HMS Nottingham (D91)
HMS Liverpool (D92)
HMS Manchester (D95)
HMS Gloucester (D96)

Manchester class batch 3 Type 42 destroyer:
HMS Edinburgh (D97)
HMS York (D98)

Duke class Type 23 frigates (13)
HMS Argyll (F231)
HMS Lancaster (F229)
HMS Iron Duke (F234)
HMS Monmouth (F235)
HMS Montrose (F236)
HMS Westminster (F237)
HMS Northumberland (F238)
HMS Richmond (F239)
HMS Somerset (F82)
HMS Sutherland (F81)
HMS Kent (F78)
HMS Portland (F79)
HMS St Albans (F83)

Broadsword class Type 22 frigate Type 22 frigates (4)
HMS Cornwall (F99)
HMS Cumberland (F85)
HMS Campbeltown (F86)
HMS Chatham (F87)

Amphibious Forces

Ocean class Landing Platform Helicopter (1)
HMS Ocean (L12)

Albion class landing platform docks (2)
HMS Albion (L14)
HMS Bulwark (L15)

Mine Warfare Forces

Sandown-class mine countermeasures vessels (8)
HMS Walney (M104)
HMS Penzance (M106)
HMS Pembroke (M107)
HMS Grimsby (M108)
HMS Bangor (M109)
HMS Ramsey (M110)
HMS Blyth (M111)
HMS Shoreham (M112)

Hunt-class mine countermeasures vessels (8)
HMS Ledbury (M30)
HMS Cattistock (M31)
HMS Brocklesby (M33)
HMS Middleton (M34)
HMS Chiddingfold (M37)
HMS Atherstone (M38)
HMS Hurworth (M39)
HMS Quorn (M41)

Patrol Vessels

Antarctic patrol ship (1)
HMS Endurance (A171)

River-class patrol vessels (4)
HMS Mersey (P283)
HMS Severn (P282)
HMS Tyne (P281)
HMS Clyde (P257) (modified River class)

Archer or P2000-class fast patrol boats (14)
HMS Biter (P270)
HMS Smiter (P272)
HMS Blazer (P279)
HMS Puncher (P291)
HMS Archer (P264)
HMS Example (P165) on the River Tyne at HMS Calliope, Gateshead

HMS Charger (P292)
HMS Ranger (P293)
HMS Trumpeter (P294)
HMS Express (P163)
HMS Explorer (P164)
HMS Exploit (P167)
HMS Tracker (P274)
HMS Raider (P275)

Scimitar-class fast patrol boats (Gibraltar Squadron) (2)
HMS Scimitar (P284)
HMS Sabre (P285)

Archer or P2000-class fast patrol boats (Cyprus Squadron) (2)
HMS Pursuer (P273)
HMS Dasher (P280)

Survey Vessels

Ocean survey vessel (1)
HMS Scott (H131)

Coastal survey vessels (2)
HMS Roebuck (H130)
HMSML Gleaner (H86)

Echo-class multi-purpose survey vessels (2)
HMS Echo (H87)
HMS Enterprise (H88)
 
Re: Skimmer/Target News from Westminster

Thanks Sarge. You've missed out HMS Victory, which at least since Thatcher's time, has been counted by the MOD as part of the active Fleet!!!
 
Re: Skimmer/Target News from Westminster

tommo said:
I taker they are counting the P2000's as well lol

I remember those things from my RNXS days: purposely designed to make hardened matelots seasick!
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
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thingy said:
Thanks Sarge. You've missed out HMS Victory, which at least since Thatcher's time, has been counted by the MOD as part of the active Fleet!!!

Well, 2 Dock is hardly 'surface'... but it's a good way of winding the Yanks up, by telling them we've got a commissioned warship that is older than the declaration of the United States of America! :wink:
 

McHammock

Lantern Swinger
Re: Skimmer/Target News from Westminster

sgtpepperband said:
thingy said:
Thanks Sarge. You've missed out HMS Victory, which at least since Thatcher's time, has been counted by the MOD as part of the active Fleet!!!

Well, 2 Dock is hardly 'surface'... but it's a good way of winding the Yanks up, by telling them we've got a commissioned warship that is older than the declaration of the United States of America! :wink:

You've also forgotten HMS CAROLINE, still afloat in Belfast & still in commission as the RNR Unit.
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Re: Skimmer/Target News from Westminster

PNG: No; count the figures from my post above... however, some of those smaller paint cats would hardly constitute a 'fleet'! 8O
 

Nostrinian

Badgeman
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It doesnt inspire my confidence. Its not as if the 2 Carriers are actually fit for anything (this from a WAFU)- and thats not a reflection upon their Ships Companies- the carriers have no dedicated fighter aircraft (with an air defense capability). Not an expert on surface ship fleet but the Type 42s...surely theyre past their sell by (no joke intended) date. When I see lists like that it really scares me. Because in the real world we all know how limited the Navy now really is.
All is not totally lost of course. We still just about have a small hard core of professional Officers and SRs. And, I think, the general public, who seem to be increasingly knowledgeable about military goings on. But we need some increased assets, whatever they will be, and we need them now, or in the medium term future.
That quote "only the dead have seen the last of war" always seem so true.
I wonder what the Service will have to face in the future. A chap whose articals are sometimes published says that future wars will be "resource wars" - fought for water, oil and gas, food.
I wonder where we now stand.
 
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Nostrinian said:
And, I think, the general public, who seem to be increasingly knowledgeable about military goings on.

Well here in Westoland, they hide it bloody well! If it's chaps wearing brown DPM they do, admittedly, seem to have nearly half a clue. In my experience, they know and understand very little and care even less.
 
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S P B

From your list what we are actually saying is we have 36 units that can actually go out onto the oceans and fight. They being two carriers, destroyers,frigates and submarines. I have automatically discounted the four bombers cos they hide and do not fight except in self defence.

The two carriers have no fixed wing capability so that brings us down to 34. Ten more are for sale, awaiting disposal of have been sold for scrap. That gives us 24 ships and boats that can fight. Let us be generous and allow one third operational, one third in refit and one third on work up, training or trials. That gives us a fleet of 8 ships and boats at sea to protect our sea lanes and defend the UK.

Why should Britain tremble.

Nutty
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Re: Skimmer/Target News from Westminster

Nutty: I was defending the Secretary of State for Defence's comments but merely providing information to substantiate where his number of surface fleet units came from; you're right - it is not a great situation for the RN to be in. I would like to know the agenda or reason for Mr. Scott MP to ask the question in the first place...
 
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S P B

I think my figures are wrong using the one third operationl rule, which in my opinion is being generous to MOD. I did not count in the four SSN's so in fact if a third of out fighting fleet is operational we have 12 units out there looking after UK PLC.

Nutty
 
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