Finland Russia debacle

WreckerL

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Strange, when I mentioned the Russo-Finnish Winter War on another thread @lanky gave me a BS :rolleyes:
Hypocrisy by lanky?

And the Treaty of Tartu didn't stop the Soviet Union (i.e. Russia) invading in 1939, plus Soviet Russia doesn't exist so would the treaty still stand?
 
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Strange, when I mentioned the Russo-Finnish Winter War on another thread @lanky gave me a BS :rolleyes:
Hypocrisy by lanky?

And the Treaty of Tartu didn't stop the Soviet Union (i.e. Russia) invading in 1939, plus Soviet Russia doesn't exist so would the treaty still stand?
Worth debating? Perhaps we will conclude that Treaties by and large are worthless and merely postpone the agony.
 

WreckerL

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Worth debating? Perhaps we will conclude that Treaties by and large are worthless and merely postpone the agony.
Treaties have been broken since they first came in to existence, think of the Russo-German Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in 1939.
 

huwshpis

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. . .

And the Treaty of Tartu didn't stop the Soviet Union (i.e. Russia) invading in 1939, plus Soviet Russia doesn't exist so would the treaty still stand?
As a matter of international law, yes, and would be binding on Russia as a successor state to the USSR, except for the unliateral repudiation by Moscow in 1939.
 

Dredd

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Treaties are only good if they are being observed by all parties. The main question is - are they enforceable, and by whom?
 

huwshpis

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Treaties are enforceable under the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. Enforcement is through the International Court of Justice which, ultimately, relies on a successful litigant (by definition, a nation-state in this context) being willing to go to war.
 
With a similar size population to Scotland's here's a little more on Finland (*19 March 2022)

Finland named world’s happiest country for fifth year running

Experts say social support, honesty and generosity key to wellbeing, as Afghanistan and Lebanon struggle in global ranking

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Group of snowmobiles in Lapland, near Saariselka, Finland

‘Many things are undeniably good here,’ a local business owner said of Finland as it again topped the world happiness table.


Photograph: Delphotos/Alamy
Agence France-Presse in Helsinki
Sat 19 Mar 2022 02.41 GMT

Finland has been named the world’s happiest country for the fifth year in a row, in an annual UN-sponsored index that ranked Afghanistan as the unhappiest, closely followed by Lebanon.

The latest list was completed before the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Bulgaria, Romania and Serbia recorded the biggest boosts in wellbeing. The largest falls in the world happiness table, released on Friday, came in Lebanon, Venezuela and Afghanistan.

Lebanon, which is facing economic meltdown, fell to second from last on the index of 146 countries, just below Zimbabwe.

Business people talking on staircase in office
‘Commercial no-brainer’: why the role of happiness officer is taking off
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War-scarred Afghanistan, already bottom of the table last year, saw its humanitarian crisis deepen since the Taliban returned to power last August following the pull-out of US-led troops.

“This [index] presents a stark reminder of the material and immaterial damage that war does to its many victims,” co-author Jan-Emmanuel De Neve said.

The world happiness report, now in its 10th year, is based on people’s own assessment of their happiness, as well as economic and social data. It assigns a happiness score on a scale of zero to 10, based on an average of data over three years.

Northern Europeans once again dominated the top spots – with the Danes second to the Finns, followed by the Icelandic, the Swiss and the Dutch.

The US rose three places to 16th, one ahead of Britain. France climbed to 20th, its highest ranking yet.

As well as a personal sense of wellbeing, based on Gallup polls in each country, the happiness score takes account of GDP, social support, personal freedom and levels of corruption.

This year the authors also used data from social media to compare people’s emotions before and after the Covid-19 pandemic. They found “strong increases in anxiety and sadness” in 18 countries but a fall in feelings of anger.

“The lesson of the world happiness report over the years is that social support, generosity to one another and honesty in government are crucial for wellbeing,” report co-author Jeffrey Sachs wrote. “World leaders should take heed.”

On Helsinki’s market square on Friday, next to the still frozen Baltic Sea, Jukka Viitasaari said he was not surprised that Finns describe themselves as happy.
“Many things are undeniably good here – beautiful nature, we’re well governed, lots of things are in order,” the business owner said.

The country of vast forests and lakes is also known for its well-functioning public services, ubiquitous saunas, widespread trust in authority and low levels of crime and inequality.

Nonetheless, the report raised some eyebrows when it first placed Finland at the top of its listings in 2018. Many of the Nordic country’s 5.5 million people describe themselves as taciturn and prone to melancholy, and admit to eyeing public displays of joyfulness with suspicion.

“Someone from outside needed to tell us that we had it good compared to lots of other places,” Viitasaari said. “But after five years of coming top [of the rankings], we’re getting used to it!”

www.theguardian.com

Finland named world’s happiest country for fifth year running

Experts say social support, honesty and generosity key to wellbeing, as Afghanistan and Lebanon struggle in global ranking
www.theguardian.com
www.theguardian.com
 
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With a similar size population to Scotland's here's a little more on Finland (*19 March 2022)

Finland named world’s happiest country for fifth year running

Experts say social support, honesty and generosity key to wellbeing, as Afghanistan and Lebanon struggle in global ranking

1652651419070.png

Group of snowmobiles in Lapland, near Saariselka, Finland

‘Many things are undeniably good here,’ a local business owner said of Finland as it again topped the world happiness table.


Photograph: Delphotos/Alamy
Agence France-Presse in Helsinki
Sat 19 Mar 2022 02.41 GMT

Finland has been named the world’s happiest country for the fifth year in a row, in an annual UN-sponsored index that ranked Afghanistan as the unhappiest, closely followed by Lebanon.

The latest list was completed before the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Bulgaria, Romania and Serbia recorded the biggest boosts in wellbeing. The largest falls in the world happiness table, released on Friday, came in Lebanon, Venezuela and Afghanistan.

Lebanon, which is facing economic meltdown, fell to second from last on the index of 146 countries, just below Zimbabwe.

Business people talking on staircase in office
‘Commercial no-brainer’: why the role of happiness officer is taking off
Read more
War-scarred Afghanistan, already bottom of the table last year, saw its humanitarian crisis deepen since the Taliban returned to power last August following the pull-out of US-led troops.

“This [index] presents a stark reminder of the material and immaterial damage that war does to its many victims,” co-author Jan-Emmanuel De Neve said.

The world happiness report, now in its 10th year, is based on people’s own assessment of their happiness, as well as economic and social data. It assigns a happiness score on a scale of zero to 10, based on an average of data over three years.

Northern Europeans once again dominated the top spots – with the Danes second to the Finns, followed by the Icelandic, the Swiss and the Dutch.

The US rose three places to 16th, one ahead of Britain. France climbed to 20th, its highest ranking yet.

As well as a personal sense of wellbeing, based on Gallup polls in each country, the happiness score takes account of GDP, social support, personal freedom and levels of corruption.

This year the authors also used data from social media to compare people’s emotions before and after the Covid-19 pandemic. They found “strong increases in anxiety and sadness” in 18 countries but a fall in feelings of anger.

“The lesson of the world happiness report over the years is that social support, generosity to one another and honesty in government are crucial for wellbeing,” report co-author Jeffrey Sachs wrote. “World leaders should take heed.”

On Helsinki’s market square on Friday, next to the still frozen Baltic Sea, Jukka Viitasaari said he was not surprised that Finns describe themselves as happy.
“Many things are undeniably good here – beautiful nature, we’re well governed, lots of things are in order,” the business owner said.

The country of vast forests and lakes is also known for its well-functioning public services, ubiquitous saunas, widespread trust in authority and low levels of crime and inequality.

Nonetheless, the report raised some eyebrows when it first placed Finland at the top of its listings in 2018. Many of the Nordic country’s 5.5 million people describe themselves as taciturn and prone to melancholy, and admit to eyeing public displays of joyfulness with suspicion.

“Someone from outside needed to tell us that we had it good compared to lots of other places,” Viitasaari said. “But after five years of coming top [of the rankings], we’re getting used to it!”

www.theguardian.com

Finland named world’s happiest country for fifth year running

Experts say social support, honesty and generosity key to wellbeing, as Afghanistan and Lebanon struggle in global ranking
www.theguardian.com
www.theguardian.com
Finland regularly tops global rankings as the happiest nation on the planet, but this brings a unique set of challenges for young people struggling with depression.
 

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