FFS, you expect it from the civvie press but the MOD website

Purple_twiglet

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She's not a rating, the press don't usually understand "NCO", so Officer is a good compromise. I'm as uncomfortable as the next person in seeing NCO's described as "Officers" when the text implies that they are somehow budding Admirals. In this context though, I think it is a reasonable description and a good article to boot.
 
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Just to nip any implied criticism in the bud, I've got absolutely no problem with the content of the story, or the individual concerned, who clearly is doing a worthwhile and necessary job. :thumbleft:

Just that most POs in my experience would rather chew off their own arm than accept the description of "officer." :wink:
 

Ninja_Stoker

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kinross_special said:
Just to nip any implied criticism in the bud, I've got absolutely no problem with the content of the story, or the individual concerned, who clearly is doing a worthwhile and necessary job. :thumbleft:

Just that most POs in my experience would rather chew off their own arm than accept the description of "officer." :wink:
Yep, I'd go along with that, but when you actually dissect the job title Petty & Officer it is actually quite a demeaning term & even worse for those of us who are the 'chief' or 'main unimportant official'. :wink:
 
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These mistakes happen all the time and reflect badly on the Service they are supposed to be publicising. They did it last week with a picture of a de Havilland 110 prototype captioned as a Sea Vampire. That immediately drew derision in some light blue quarters about the Senior Service’s aircraft recognition skills. These meja kids still haven’t grasped the difference between a “colleague†and a comrade, either.

If anyone feels in an educational mood, you can exercise it at;
[email protected]
 

Ninja_Stoker

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StixJimboRM said:
Passed-over_Loggie said:
These mistakes happen all the time and reflect badly on the Service they are supposed to be publicising. They did it last week with a picture of a de Havilland 110 prototype captioned as a Sea Vampire. That immediately drew derision in some light blue quarters about the Senior Service’s aircraft recognition skills. These meja kids still haven’t grasped the difference between a “colleague†and a comrade, either.

If anyone feels in an educational mood, you can exercise it at;
[email protected]
It isn't a mistake though, as N_S has already said, she IS an officer, a Non-Commissioned Officer (NCO), the title IS correct. She is an officer 'sans' commission
Yep it's a bit like a parrot what has fallen off his mortal perch, bought from this very boutique. :wink:
 
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kinross_special said:
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/MilitaryOperations/NavyOfficerHelpsTrackDownTalibanBombmakers.htm

Well done that "officer"
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Purple_twiglet said:
She's not a rating, the press don't usually understand "NCO", so Officer is a good compromise. I'm as uncomfortable as the next person in seeing NCO's described as "Officers" when the text implies that they are somehow budding Admirals. In this context though, I think it is a reasonable description and a good article to boot.
I know I've been out a long time (probably longer than most on here have been in! :lol: ), but during my few years service, Chiefs and Petty Officers were Senior RATINGS. Has something changed?

2BM
 
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It strikes me that you either "get" Naval tradition, or you don't. NCO never sat comfortably in the RN, unlike the RM, maybe? Then we had to put up with losing the Fleet Chief, only for the ignominy of putting up with WO2. We've been Armified and they never understood the term "rating", so our lads and lasses had to become other-ranks - QED!
 
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2badge_mango said:
Purple_twiglet said:
She's not a rating, the press don't usually understand "NCO", so Officer is a good compromise. I'm as uncomfortable as the next person in seeing NCO's described as "Officers" when the text implies that they are somehow budding Admirals. In this context though, I think it is a reasonable description and a good article to boot.
I know I've been out a long time (probably longer than most on here have been in! :lol: ), but during my few years service, Chiefs and Petty Officers were Senior RATINGS. Has something changed?

2BM
Pedantic as ever (don't you love me for it? :) ) but RATINGS comprise Senior RATES and Junior RATES. Although NCO is the generic term across all three services, a naval Petty Officer is a senior rate and no more an 'officer' (taken on its own to mean a commissioned officer) than an army Sergeant except when the term is employed in their job/post title, e.g. 'Officer of the Quarters' in the old days or 'Officer of the Day/Officer of the Watch' today.

Officers and Warrant Officers are categorised separately, of course. The status of 'officers' has been diluted considerably in civvy street ever since Firemen became Fire Officers, Police Constables became Police Officers and Prison Warders became Prison Officers. Even Ambulance Drivers are now Ambulance Officers. Just about everyone else seems to be a 'manager' of some sort.
 
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asst_dep_to_dep_asst said:
It strikes me that you either "get" Naval tradition, or you don't. NCO never sat comfortably in the RN, unlike the RM, maybe? Then we had to put up with losing the Fleet Chief, only for the ignominy of putting up with WO2. We've been Armified and they never understood the term "rating", so our lads and lasses had to become other-ranks - QED!
But losing Fleet Chief wasn't really much of a loss to Naval tradition was it? I don't know when we originally lost Warrant Officers, we certainly had them in Nelson's day, but Fleet Chief was only a rank (rate?) from about 1970 until '84ish.

Hardly up there with rum, sodomy and the lash in the tradition stakes.
 

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