Feedback Request - Social Media & Recruiting

Discussion in 'Joining Up - Royal Navy Recruiting' started by Ninja_Stoker, Dec 2, 2015.

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  1. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    The Royal Navy is quite clear on the "Rules of Engagement" with regard Social Media and the potential pitfalls for those currently serving.

    It is generally accepted there are many positive aspects that can be used to educate, guide and inform those interested in a career in the Armed Forces via social media. Equally there are many potential negatives where disaffected individuals can adversely affect the individual's choice of career through deliberate misinformation.

    As ever, in our busy lives time is a valuable commodity. A trusted, open, honest, rapid, current, personal, precise and accurate information source with minimum fuss in our increasingly digitally orientated lives is, for many, essential.

    Sooooooo, questions are; For those wishing to join the Armed Forces, their families & their loved ones,
    • Which websites offer the best quality, comprehensive and easily accessible careers advice, and why?
    • What are the positives and negatives of the different formats as you see them?
    • Do the official service websites in their current format deliver the goods - if not, why not?
    All feedback is valuable, from whatever your individual perspective. It would be particulary useful to hear from those who browse this website for information, but do not post.
     
  2. YouTube surprisingly enough. It works well because there is no bs. You get it straight from the horses mouth, step by step. There isn't necessarily any agenda behind it one way or the other. However, it could potentially be incorrect in some respects. The rum ration site has been one of the most varied and comprehensive for info from within the fleet, and having access to a careers advisor is really useful.
    The official service website does not provide enough information!


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  3. Instagram if you want to see where a ship is deployed, when it is coming home or hear about people moaning on the #royalnavy hashtag on instagram...
     
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    • Which websites offer the best quality, comprehensive and easily accessible careers advice, and why?
    YouTube. Short, sharp and sweet videos that can grab someones interest with HD footage, one liners and actually seeing ships/aircraft/submarines in action.



    Ok it might seem a bit over dramatic but isn't most advertising?! The only downside for YouTube is the videos can become 'lost' in the sense that unless you've subscribed to a channel it's much harder to see updates and new videos. Although some videos have been uploaded to Facebook which seems to be easier for having a quick browse.

    Facebook and Twitter is ok, Facebook probably the best one as videos and links can be posted. Although some useful information can be lost in the 'noise' of the 5 or 6 posts made daily. But to be fair there has been some quite good ones recently.


    • What are the positives and negatives of the different formats as you see them?
    Think I've addressed them above.

    • Do the official service websites in their current format deliver the goods - if not, why not?
    No, it's dire. Useful information on ships and locations but in terms of training its shocking, No break down on Phase 1 or Phase 2 training no of length in some cases. The interface is actually pretty good and could be an excellent website if only the content was up to date.

    The forum is absolutely shocking and is of no use whatsoever. You'd barely know it existed and it doesn't help that some of the questions are not great but it does seem that the majority of the 'official' answers are from non-Career Advisers are just generic 'go to your AFCO' or 'phone this number....' etc unless it's something easy like age limits that can't give a proper answers. The interface is rubbish and is unlike any forum I've used which is easy to navigate around.
     
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    • Which websites offer the best quality, comprehensive and easily accessible careers advice, and why?
    I think the Navy site is very useful because when you first go on it wanting to join you probably have no idea what you're doing, after browsing it for a while you have a decent passing knowledge of the different branches and jobs, loads of info on ships, what the Navy does etc. Also very little waffle on there to sift through.

    Only downside is some bits are very vague/copy-pasted like getting qualifications in the service, promotion and more in depth info on training. Plenty of info on the site though if you look for it.

    For what it's worth RR is worth it's weight in gold for the really concise stuff like getting a rundown on the joining process from someone who has literally just done it or someone like you who knows the inside information. Plus just general chatter about kit lists, what to expect, life in the navy and so on.

    I don't even use social media sites for info, I just think there are better ways to get it.
    • What are the positives and negatives of the different formats as you see them?
    The text based ones like here and the navy site require some searching through to get the answers you want, and some people just can't be arsed leading to repetition of questions etc. on navynet. Also on here for a lot of things it's very hard to give someone reliable advice seeing as you have little idea of their situation which just turns into more 'ring your afco...' To be fair though this wouldn't be a problem if people stopped hoping that a random non official forum on the internet could solve all of their issues.

    A lot of youtube content is just recordings of recruitment adverts, although the documentaries that have been uploaded to there are good.

    • Do the official service websites in their current format deliver the goods - if not, why not?
    Yeah, but could use a lot more info on the recruitment and training. There's no such thing as too much information when you're thinking about joining up. In particular they could use a single page that just lays out the whole recruitment process and entry requirements in order, instead of having it spread all over the site and various pdf's.

    In the end it just depends how you like to absorb stuff, I like to read so this site is great, some prefer to watch it in a video or whatever.
     
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  4. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Some quality feedback, thank you. Keep it coming!
    That's an interesting point with regard instagram with regard operational security & people moaning - it actually contravenes service guidelines and regulations to divulge operational issues and from next month, for those serving, complaining on social media will lead to disciplinary action.
     
    • Which websites offer the best quality, comprehensive and easily accessible careers advice, and why?
    Through my application i've found this forum (Navy-net) and youtube as the best sources of information. Youtube puts it all into perspective especially the videos on the Royal Navy channel regarding career pathways etc, they seem to summarise each trade so you can choose the right one for you. Thats what i used when i was first applying to choose which job role i would prefer. Some potential recruits have also videoed their application process at each stage which has been so helpful to get feedback from. This forum is great for finding information that you can't find anywhere else, i can nearly always get an answer from here.
    • What are the positives and negatives of the different formats as you see them?
    I do like the format of this forum and it's particularly helped me at the moment with my medical appeal, i think its easy to find information using the search bar, you can just enter a few key words and something is bound to come up which relates to what you wanted to find. Also having access to message moderators such as Ninja (people who have served,currently serving or are thinking of joining) is good because it's easy to get an reliable answer quickly. I think youtube is much harder to find actual information other than job roles/what the service provides and you can't really interact with anybody on there for them to answer questions.
    • Do the official service websites in their current format deliver the goods - if not, why not?
    I think the official websites do offer a lot of information on what people generally want to know, and i guess if you can't find what you are looking for you can always use the online chat so that they can send you a link or just answer any general questions, the only thing they are not obliged to advise on is medical topics which is understandable and that is where this website has helped me out a bit more.
     
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    • Which websites offer the best quality, comprehensive and easily accessible careers advice, and why?
    RR has been the best online source, whether it be for advice or information. No other website provides you with current serving and former Naval personnel who'll provide such extensive and straight-talking advice. Of course there's the risk of information being incorrect, out of date or subject to bias, but by checking the information you've got with other sources the site really is a goldmine of information and opinion. Other websites I've found useful were The Student Room and PPrune for much the same reasons.

    As somebody who uses YouTube and social media a lot, I've found that the Navy seems to be as good as the RAF, but far better than the Army when it comes to their online presence. The social media accounts are active and interesting and the new website is seriously slick, which is actually more important than people think. The videos produced are punchy, fast-paced and (crucially) are good quality. They're also a lot less cheesy, although I'm not a fan of the Loughborough Student series of videos.
    • What are the positives and negatives of the different formats as you see them?
    Positives:
    Official Navy social media presence is spot on, plenty of engagement with their followers and some nice photos and videos to go with it!
    Unofficial- Even better for insights and opinion, just check the facts!
    • Do the official service websites in their current format deliver the goods - if not, why not?
    The Navy website is clean and modern, certainly impresses those I've seen use it in my Sixth Form. It gives a comprehensive account of current deployments (although I preferred the map with all deployments on from the only website) but maybe is a little light on information for training. Also, some of the career guides are a little outdated.
     
  5. If the RN has its way, it will a breach of orders for any serving member of the RN to use this site.

    Just in case you thought the RN was a forward leaning, open minded, 21st century employer.
     
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  6. Can you expand on that alf.
     
  7. In effect, anything that could be considered an "embarrassment" may result in a major administrative action. Such action could halt a career for 4 or 5 years.
     
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  8. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    With effect from January, serving personnel can be prosecuted for posting/publishing classified information or derogatory/defamatory service-related comments.

    The ten-page social media document doesn't really seem to alter much with regard the current social media policy, other than it is longer and more targeted. (Remember that trainee submariner idiot that sold a non-story to the press then went on the trot?)

    My thoughts are that it aims to avoid the current civilian trend of complaining on social media for wider effect. The issue being that if someone feels disaffected to the extent they want to write about it, then there is a mandated internal process in which the mob prides itself.

    That said, social media is a good way of gaining a snapshot of opinion but, the majority of opinions on here or ARRSE are not necessarily reflective of those currently serving.

    If the rules are applied retrospectively, many of us would be buggered. Metaphorically speaking, of course :)
     
  9. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    I was incredibly amused to receive a stern warning from the RNR yesterday warning me not to use Facebook and other social media sites or discuss what I did in the RNR.

    Two minor problems with that, one I left the RNR over a year ago, so I'm impressed that they think I still work for them. Two, the role that I did in the RNR that is supposedly soooo secret I can't tell anyone, well it turns out that theres' this book called the Navy List and it says in it exactly what role I did and which unit it was with Its also publicly available on the Internet and bookshops...

    Good old RNR, trying to use yesterdays technology tomorrow and still messing it up. :)
     
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  10. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Whoopsie. They'll probably stop paying you now, too ;)

    My prediction? Dii/EGS will block Navy Net & ARRSE.
     
  11. EGS maybe but Dii is off to the big "good ideas in IT" cloud next year, we'll have to see what the new system allows but I've been told internet access will be better, still with prohibited sites though, so the porn collection won't be increasing anytime in the near future.
     
  12. That would be scary, if I had a career to halt :)
     
  13. Isn't that already covered by the Official Secrets Act?
     
  14. There is a difference between classified and secret(s).
     
  15. The drawback being, of course, that people will still post on there, just via their phones.

    Although I suppose the fact the majority of personnel in the RN don't trust their Senior Officers is moderately embarrassing, as is the fact we are losing people hand over fist during an economic lean period. But don't tell 'em your name Pike!
     
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  16. Maybe it's changed then.
    I thought classified material comprised 'Restricted', 'Confidential', 'Secret', 'Top Secret' and some higher up stuff.
    All covered by the Official Secrets Act.
    Is that no longer the case?
    Happy to be corrected :confused:
     

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