FAYE IN THE PRESS.... AGAIN!!

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
I think that the 15 should have returned to the Cornwall upon being released, rather than returning to the UK. On/In the Cornwall they would have been protected from the media and interest in them would have dropped off very quickly
 

WarMonger

War Hero
I have to say of all the things they have been posted....whats so controversial about it....its common sense that they are probably regreting it....Isnt it...!!!..or am I being naieve!!
 

limey_sailor

Midshipman
thats wrens all over now, they got a pair of breasts and dont half use then to get what they want.. dont think i'm bias in anyway, there are some decent wrens, but they all seem to be lesbians!
 
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Deleted 7

Guest
9/04/2007 21:04:53
Re:Faye Turney is a WHOLE lot of woman

What is a bird doing out in iraq?

They're called OUR BOYS not OUR LASSES!

Lefties calling for equal rights for birds even when being in the forces is clearly a man's job.

The only birds allowed in the forces should be there for OUR BOY'S entertainment, but i certainly know i'd run a mile if i turned up at a lapdance and big fat turney was there in her smalls

There's the door luv

Now grow some rightwing backbone.
Right, which one of you lads wrote this????

Sun Forum Turney discussion
 
(I for one am glad I left the RN prior to mixed crews on ships.)
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:cry: Ditto, total nightmare from start to finish, equal opportunities my arse ! :oops:
 

jungle_jim

Lantern Swinger
Ninja_Stoker said:
Further to Slim's assertion, may I be the first to bet someone 50P that she manages to now get medically discharged through stress, claiming PTSD & thus ensuring a tax-free medical pension? Anticipate this in a matter of weeks rather than years.
lets hope you never have to worry about a MBOS then it must be great to be perfect
 

jungle_jim

Lantern Swinger
limey_sailor said:
thats wrens all over now, they got a pair of breasts and dont half use then to get what they want.. dont think i'm bias in anyway, there are some decent wrens, but they all seem to be lesbians!
#strange that, last time i looked my Wife is no lesbian
 

jungle_jim

Lantern Swinger
i really cannot believe how sour you all sound. i for one would not swap for what they have been through, they have not been trained in conduct after capture and no boarding party has ever been trained to fend off and firefight from a RIB against FPBs. and so what if she and others sold their story. this story was always going to come out no matter what so why not hear it form those that it happened too and let them see some benifit from it

i think its time we all supported our fellow RN members without wanting to run them down all the time. no wonder the press have a field day when we cannot even back each other up. if you spent more time and thoughts on yours jobs than runing someone down then the RN would be a better place
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
jungle_jim said:
i really cannot believe how sour you all sound. i for one would not swap for what they have been through, they have not been trained in conduct after capture and no boarding party has ever been trained to fend off and firefight from a RIB against FPBs. and so what if she and others sold their story. this story was always going to come out no matter what so why not hear it form those that it happened too and let them see some benifit from it

i think its time we all supported our fellow RN members without wanting to run them down all the time. no wonder the press have a field day when we cannot even back each other up. if you spent more time and thoughts on yours jobs than runing someone down then the RN would be a better place
Get with the beat Baggy! Those quotes were made 5 days ago. WTF has my having a Medical Board Of Survey got to do with the price of eggs? My observation was after LS Turney was pictured giving a two-fingered salute to the waiting photographers. Much as I sympathise with her predicament, and as had had been previously predicted on this website, the intolerable pressure from the press was, I felt, likely to become too much.
 

flatscrubber

Badgeman
Ninja_Stoker said:
Further to Slim's assertion, may I be the first to bet someone 50P that she manages to now get medically discharged through stress, claiming PTSD & thus ensuring a tax-free medical pension? Anticipate this in a matter of weeks rather than years.
Totally agree,
Its a f*****g disgrace
 

grefs

Lantern Swinger
HORNBLOWER said:
(I for one am glad I left the RN prior to mixed crews on ships.)
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:cry: Ditto, total nightmare from start to finish, equal opportunities my arse ! :oops:
In total agreement.
 

POSMCEW

Midshipman
lets put it this way, how many of you have ever known a wren to keep her big mouth shut, just par for the course really, not suprised at all. Just wait for the Andy Mcnab style of bullshit books !
 
POSMCEW said:
lets put it this way, how many of you have ever known a wren to keep her big mouth shut, just par for the course really, not suprised at all. Just wait for the Andy Mcnab style of bullshit books !
and all men are great at keeping schtum????? i think not!!!!!!!!!
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6553033.stm < just won't go away will it

Power of the headscarf
A POINT OF VIEW
By Lisa Jardine



Turney's headscarf put her motherhood to the fore
The headscarf Faye Turney was made to wear in Iran made us look at her as a woman, not as a seaman, says historian Lisa Jardine as she returns to A Point of View.
When I was a child - I think it began when I was about 10 - I had a recurrent dream, from which I would awake in a state of panic.

In it I was concentrating hard on some piece of school work (I was always a bit of a blue-stocking), when I was grabbed hold of by three or four grey and faceless people.

They put me into an over-sized greatcoat, and enveloped my head in a headscarf, then pulled firmly down over my forehead and knotted under my chin.

I would wake in terror as I realized that I was no longer an A-stream English schoolgirl with a bright future. The scarf had turned me into a cipher, a nobody.


My childhood was full of post-war images of seemingly interminable snaking lines of dispossessed people

Lisa Jardine


Hear Radio 4's A Point of View

It's easy now to see what the contemporary events were that fuelled the anxiety in my dream in the early 1950s.

My childhood was full of post-war images of seemingly interminable snaking lines of dispossessed people, people who had lost everything, the women bundled in ill-fitting garments with their hair shrouded, patiently waiting for bread, patiently waiting for visas.

I don't recall that we were ever shown the queues of Jews waiting to be herded on to trains on their way to the gas-chambers - that was an awful secret our parents preferred not to reveal to us. But I do remember that as the child of Jewish immigrants, every time I saw a girl just like myself, in a hand-me-down coat and a headscarf, I knew with absolute certainty that that could easily have been me.

The past is the place where we can focus without blinking on the feelings and attitudes of former times


That dream of mine and the situation that produced it - the movements of peoples forced into homelessness by circumstances beyond their control - are now part of history. They belong to Europe's shared, defining memories of its 20th Century past.

For me, as an historian, the past is the place where we can focus without blinking on the feelings and attitudes of former times, as they connect with, and enable us to come to terms with, ideas less easily grasped in the present.

History lets me see the "here and now" more clearly, to begin to understand and make better sense of the present. And so it turned out to be with my dream.

In the autumn of 1992, a pale young woman, her face barely visible behind a patterned scarf, and bundled in a men's duffel-coat, was ushered into my Head of Department's office in the University of London. She was from Sarajevo, and was working down the road from the college, cleaning offices.

Shock

Could she perhaps sit in on some of our lectures and classes? Before the collapse of Old Yugoslavia she had been doing a degree in English Literature at the University of Sarajevo.

Now, a refugee, worried sick about her family - the siege of Sarajevo was still going on, and she could get no word of them - she needed something that would connect her with her old life, something to give her new one meaning.

She handed me her documents. These, it turned out, contained not just her passport details, but also all her results from the three years of her degree course. She was a good student with consistently high grades; she would have graduated in the coming year.


A headscarf does not stop women pampering themselves

As I leafed through her papers, a wave of shock hit me. On page one of the booklet of official documents was her passport photo.

It showed a bold, smiling young woman with shiny, bobbed black hair and pearl earrings. She wore a smart dark jacket over a scoop-necked jumper, and her mouth was a bright red cupid's bow. She was, in other words, exactly like any ambitious, able, confident young woman her age.

The huddled figure in my office armchair was barely recognizable as the same person. Wearing that incongruous headscarf - a garment she would not have dreamed of donning in happier times - she had become a nobody, a lost soul. It was as if my dream had returned to haunt me, and was sitting in front of me.

Fortunately, we were able to do more for Sandra than simply let her sit in on classes. Her documented university record allowed us to admit her as a transfer student to the University of London. The following year she graduated with a good degree.

Over the next four years, we helped other young women from former Yugoslavia, who like her had walked out of a war zone under gunfire, and hitched rides across Europe to safety, to begin to build new lives for themselves. Several of them are now leading figures in their chosen fields.

Last week, my dream surfaced again. It came back to me in a flash as I watched the pictures on the television news of leading seaman Faye Turney, an experienced sea-survival specialist, and coxwain of the boat whose crew were seized by Iranian Republican Guards, wearing a scarf.

One minute, there Faye Turney had been, in naval uniform steering a small boat, on patrol in the waters that divide Iran from Iraq. The next thing we knew, she was dressed in shapeless garments and a headscarf, and appearing on television as a nobody, a vulnerable, defenceless little woman.

Just as I had feared as a child, her competence and training became invisible, she could no longer be seen for what she still was, even in captivity - a qualified person, doing a difficult job.

Sexual equality

For days, even after the detainees' release, the British press were mesmerised by the charade of Faye Turney's television appearances.

Last Thursday, I woke to hear Colonel Bob Stewart, the first British UN commander in Bosnia in the early 1990s, being asked on the Today programme by Carolyn Quinn whether the detention of British marines and seamen by Iran had raised questions about whether women soldiers and sailors ought to be allowed to serve on the front line.

Colonel Stewart believed it did. "People like myself are a little unsettled," he responded. "If that wasn't the case she wouldn't have been on the front page of all the newspapers for 12 days.

"So there is disquiet," he said, "among a lot of people in this country that a woman has been put into this position."

A piece of propaganda had proved shockingly effective with the British public


But what was making Colonel Stewart and the rest of us uneasy, surely, was feelings created out of the same stuff as my childhood nightmare.

A piece of propaganda had proved shockingly effective with the British public. Simply by the way they had dressed her, a régime which insists that, for modesty's sake, women must cover their hair and their bodies at all times, had succeeded in making us begin to talk as though there was something intrinsically shameful about allowing women the freedoms granted to their male counterparts.

Like so many of the rights won by women over the past 50 years, those of women in the army, navy and airforce have been hard won. Women now make up almost one in 10 of Britain's military personnel - over three-quarters of all jobs in the forces are now open to women.

Like my Sarajevan students before calamity struck, Faye Turney believed that in her chosen career she was on an equal footing with the men serving alongside her.

Tawdry episode

Interviewed by the BBC shortly before her detention about life on the edge of a war zone, she told us how she had wanted to join the armed forces since she was a child, and how proud she was to do so. Like my displaced students she had found herself a helpless ghost through circumstances beyond her control.

The most charitable interpretation we might want to put on her controversial appearance on ITV with Trevor Macdonald would be that she felt the need to set her image straight as well as to tell her side of the story.

The seizure of British naval personnel has turned out to be a tawdry episode for Britain and Iran. Hijacked by propagandists on both sides, no-one, I believe, has come out of it looking good.

But it has certainly reminded me how little it can still take, even in a country like our own, in which equality between men and women is a secure reality, to revive the ghosts of the past.

It still, it seems, only takes a headscarf - just as I feared, all those years ago, each time I woke in distress from my familiar bad dream.
 

moondog

War Hero
Way to heavy for me!
Never mind the head scarf! For all concerned she should have worn an Anti Flash Hood. :?
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
moondog said:
Way to heavy for me!
Never mind the head scarf! For all concerned she should have worn an Anti Flash Hood. :?
Hmm, Anti-Flash? I was wondering why she never heard the "Negative respirators" pipe... :twisted:
 

UncleAlbert

War Hero
Womps …..please stop bombarding us with longwinded stuff cut and pasted from the media….try and post your own thoughts and try to stop being a bloody sheep with no opinion of your own……
I didn`t read your paste…..I didn`t need to.
 

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