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Faraday Programme , CIS & ET(WE)

Nohope

Newbie
I apologise that some of you find these posts especially negative but this merger has been a car crash from start to finish although I admit the original intentions were good. Just to clarify were talking about those who joined as WESM CIS not the old legacy CIS and you won't need to ask any questions because the position is to be explained in the faraday progress update.
 

XCrabFat

Midshipman
So....

WE and CIS Are as of now integrated. CIS is in the WE branch.

In the next 3-5 years approx, he will be streamed as an operator (CIS) or maintainer ETWE.

There may be some opportunities for a small cohort to cross train in the period and help inform the future branch BUT that's not yet fully endorsed.

The pay issue is being looked at and an evidence pack being prepared for The Navy to present to MoD/HMT and try to get approval for the right SUP inside the 5 year cycle.
Thanks WD
 

Matt247

Badgeman
I apologise that some of you find these posts especially negative but this merger has been a car crash from start to finish although I admit the original intentions were good. Just to clarify were talking about those who joined as WESM CIS not the old legacy CIS and you won't need to ask any questions because the position is to be explained in the faraday progress update.
Spunds a bit like the RAF trade group 4 merger..... ICT tech and radar repair. Hasn't gone well apparently. They have to keep sexing it up with funky trade titles . Some joined thinking they do IT and ended up repairing radars. They introduced a golden handshake some years ago to aid recruitment and retention.
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
Spunds a bit like the RAF trade group 4 merger..... ICT tech and radar repair. Hasn't gone well apparently. They have to keep sexing it up with funky trade titles . Some joined thinking they do IT and ended up repairing radars. They introduced a golden handshake some years ago to aid recruitment and retention.

TG4 was created in around 2006, merging a number of trades. It is THE example of how to do it properly. Their assimilation training was well considered and funded.

Merging radar techs into TG4? Not seen that....
 

Matt247

Badgeman
Apparently its happened. My son worked with what was ICT tech RAF and they were doing the Radar . He is Royal Signal Comms Eng. They were only SAC he was L/cpl
 

FunkyJunky

War Hero
So....

WE and CIS Are as of now integrated. CIS is in the WE branch.

In the next 3-5 years approx, he will be streamed as an operator (CIS) or maintainer ETWE.

There may be some opportunities for a small cohort to cross train in the period and help inform the future branch BUT that's not yet fully endorsed.

The pay issue is being looked at and an evidence pack being prepared for The Navy to present to MoD/HMT and try to get approval for the right SUP inside the 5 year cycle.
unless all CIS are in supp 3, I can only see issues continuing.

I look at the CIS on board and no longer see a difference between the lads in the MCO and the maintainers. They themselves (in the MCO), do. They are right in saying they are not paid to do that job (maintainers).

until that fundamental mindset on board changes, can't see much changing.
our lads (on supp 2) have a defect on the kit they use, it goes in the defect log. the CIS lads (on supp 2) do not have that luxury. They still have their warfare PoS and have to also be part of WE rounds etc.

yet, they are paid less for wearing more hats than the maintainers within the same department

weird
 
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wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
unless all CIS are in supp 3, I can only see issues continuing.

I look at the CIS on board and no longer see a difference between the lads in the MCO and the maintainers. They themselves (in the MCO), do. They are right in saying they are not paid to do that job (maintainers).

until that fundamental mindset on board changes, can't see much changing.
our lads (on supp 2) have a defect on the kit they use, it goes in the defect log. the CIS lads (on supp 2) do not have that luxury. They still have their warfare PoS and have to also be part of WE rounds etc.

yet, they are paid less for wearing more hats than the maintainers within the same department

weird

As I've said, it's being looked at. Somethings are just not easy to resolve no matter how it might appear.
 

FunkyJunky

War Hero
As I've said, it's being looked at. Somethings are just not easy to resolve no matter how it might appear.
from the front line, not a CIS and looking in, I could tell you a few things that would improve their sum on board that would cost the RN zero pence.

but change takes years for some reason

In my opinion, there was absolutely no need to change anything and leave the comms department within the warfare branch and just evolve it that way with little upheaval.

too late for that now though
 

BigD1980

Lantern Swinger
from the front line, not a CIS and looking in, I could tell you a few things that would improve their sum on board that would cost the RN zero pence.

but change takes years for some reason

In my opinion, there was absolutely no need to change anything and leave the comms department within the warfare branch and just evolve it that way with little upheaval.

too late for that now though
Thats quite enough of the sensible idea's thank you.

Someone or Multiple offenders will have gained significant promotion out of this magnificent piece of work/Cluster F**k.
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
yet we carried on with the merger that was entirely self-imposed.

That was all about SUP3 - the pay banding wasn't a primary issue and having sat through a few of the roadshows where people have been asked that question, it still isn't, and that's from 150-200 people. My people say the same. The biggest issue to resolve is job satisfaction and distinction of role, which is why they've reverted, for now.
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
Thats quite enough of the sensible idea's thank you.

Someone or Multiple offenders will have gained significant promotion out of this magnificent piece of work/Cluster F**k.

Hate to burst your bubble but it really doesn't work like that.
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
from the front line, not a CIS and looking in, I could tell you a few things that would improve their sum on board that would cost the RN zero pence.

but change takes years for some reason

In my opinion, there was absolutely no need to change anything and leave the comms department within the warfare branch and just evolve it that way with little upheaval.

too late for that now though

Then do, either here or via PM. I'm all for positive, constructive criticism and suggestions. No one person, or group, has the answers.
 

FunkyJunky

War Hero
Then do, either here or via PM. I'm all for positive, constructive criticism and suggestions. No one person, or group, has the answers.
what I see has been said since the inception of CIS going over to WE branch and said since.
what I say here will make no difference as collectively, it has not yet
 
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