Hi all, first post here. Have seen the light and made the transition over from Warships1 after 7 dutiful years there (mostly as a lurker, but have posted too). Two apologies - firstly for the capricious username. I'm watching Under Seige on Channel 4 at the moment... it seemed fitting. Hope I haven't made some schoolboy error in having it named after a yankee bootneck. Secondly, for the nature of this thead... over the forums I've visited, with Fantasy Fleets you either love them or hate them. Again, I hope I'm not lowering the IQ of this board by posting such a thread! Finally, a bit about me... a complete civvie, finishing up my Master's and while at uni was on the UAS. Though great fun, discovered I had a great distain for the fliers and now am thinking about joining the RNR within the coming year (well, got as far as popping along to the AFCO but need to get back into shape over summer). Have questions about the particular trade I wish to go into and I will probably make a thread about that later. Anyway, it's funny how soon things change; a few years ago, we were looking about the 32-ship Navy. Now, it's generally thought that we'll be heading towards a two- or even three-tier Navy what with C1, C2 and C3. I'm admittedly a proponent of the two tier Navy and I think that the Marine Nationale is a decent example to follow. Given tightening budgets and an administration that cares little for the forces beyond implications on politically sensitive constituencies and one based on myopic short-termism, I believe that the two-tier Navy is the best solution to meeting our standing committments, as well as retain the significant heavyweight punch should be need to use it. The two-tier Navy makes significant savings in resources - freeing up capital ships to either train or meet operational committments. The C3s also allows ships to be in the water, providing younger COs the experience they need before being streamed to higher-end combatants. Edit: In light of suggestions, have amended the proposed fleet to look like this. Democracy at work! 2x STOVL CVF â€“ Prince of Wales, Queen Elizabeth Specifications: 289m; 65,000t full load (75,000t design limit); 180x36x10m hangar deck; 2x deck-edge a/c lifts (carrying 2x F35); 29kt fast; composite belt armour and blast-resistant bulkheads; C4ISTAR capability Airwing: 42x F35B (24 in peacetime); 4x Merlin ASAC; 2x HM1 Merlin, 3x HC3 Merlin (RAF) 1x LPH(F) â€“ Hermes Specifications: 40,000t; 2x deck-edge a/c lifts; 25kt fast; composite belt armour and blast-resistant bulkheads; Airwing: 8x MH-47G Chinook (RAF), 8x HC3 Merlin (RAF), 3x FireScout UAV, 5x WAH-64 Apache (AAC) (Suggested airwing?) 6x C1 AS/SuW Cruiser â€“ Churchill, Centaur, Conqueror, Cerberus, Challenger, Charger Specifications: 172m trimaran; 11,000t (full); 29kt fast; composite belt armour and BRB; 1x 5" gun; 16x Harpoon; 2x Phalanx CIWS; Type 2087 Towed Array Sonar; huge USV capability; 8x Cray Marine 324mm (2 quad) torpedo tubes; 32x Sylver A70 with Aster 15; RAM; large hangar Airwing: 4x HM1 Merlin; 2x FutureLynx; 1x FireScoutUAV 8x Type 45 AAW Cruiser â€“ Daring, Dauntless, Diamond, Duncan, Defender, Dragon, Dreadnought, Devastation Specifications: As built but add/replace with the followingâ€¦ composite belt armour and BRB; 1x 5â€ gun; 8x Harpoon; 2x Phalanx CIWS; 4x Cray Marine 324mm (2 twin) torpedo tubes; 48-cell Sylver A50 with Aster 15/30; 16-cell Sylver A70 with Aster45 Airwing: 1x HM1 Merlin 6x C2 General Purpose Cruiser â€“ Revenge, Rodney, Ramillies, Repulse, Renown, Royal Sovereign Specifications: 172m trimaran; 12,500t; 29kt fast; 1x 5â€ gun; 8x Harpoon; 64x Sylver A70 with Aster 15 and TLAM; 2x Phalanx CIWS; 8x Cray Marine 324mm (2 quad) torpedo tubes; Mission 'Modules': 2x CB90s; Mexifloats; 2x LCVP; 2x HC3 Merlin; 2x HM1 Merlin; reverse-osmosis equipment/power generators etc. In some combination 11x C3 Ocean-Capable Patrol Sloop â€“ London, Derby, Manchester, Liverpool, Swansea, Belfast, Aberdeen, Nottingham, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Bristol, Southampton, Exeter, York, Coventry Specifications: 110m length; 2,500t; 25kts; Thales Artemis IRST; Herakles S-Band MF; extensive USV kit for minesweeping and oceanographic survey; modularised sensor and weapons systems; basic fit â€“ 1x OTO 76mm, RAM, 2x 30mm cannon; 16x Sylver A50 with CAAM; FFBNW Aster 15 and Harpoon 10x Astute-class SSN â€“ Astute, Artful, Ambush, Audacious, Anson, Achilles, Invincible, Illustrious, Indomitable, Indefatigable, Icarus Specifications: As built. 2x Albion-class LPD â€“ Albion, Bulwark Specifications: As built. Maybe a hanger? 4x Bay-class ALSL â€“ Largs Bay, Lyme Bay, Mounts Bay, Cardigan Bay Specifications: As built. 4x Vanguard-class SSBNs â€“ Vanguard, Vengeance, Victorious, Vigilant Specifications: Enough said.