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Right being a young'un I've never really understood politics and oil etc.

Of course oil is a huge multi billion pound revenue for any country, but it seems to me that the argies haven't been THAT interested in the falklands until there was mention of oil.

What would actually happen if they went ahead and tried to retake the falklands, with most of our military assets concentrated in afghanistan ?
 
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I'm not sure, - but we would have to re - prioritise and see what the threat would be.

Would it be a naval threat, - or primarily air threat? Could Chile support us etc?

I am sure at some level a lot of planning for these events has already happened.
 
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With our alliance with the USA, backing them up with Iraq and Af'stan would they assist in a South Atlantic naval conflict?

Most of our assets abroad at present are ground troops! The USA must have a few odd Amphib ships floating around somewhere waiting for fisty cuffs!!!!!!
 
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I am not sure if they would assist or not?

They may be able to help with Intelligence, logs etc. The concerning this is that Venezuela and the US don't get on at all, - the Argentineans hate us.

It starts to make a nice marriage for them to team up against team GB.
 
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Paddingtonbear said:
I am not sure if they would assist or not?

They may be able to help with Intelligence, logs etc. The concerning this is that Venezuela and the US don't get on at all, .
The septics would probably welcome the chance to put some pressure on Venezuela as it does not suit them to have a country with a very left wing President lording it around in their backyard.

Edited for poor spelling.
 

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If the Venezuelans joined in the Americans would have to step in unless Obama is an absolute fcukwit. If he were to let Chavez help throw us out of the Falklands then why wouldn't Chavez follow it up with the invasion of Colombia he's been promising for the last year and so oust the last strongly pro-US government in South America and topple a key pillar of American foreign policy.
 
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Hopefully Chile would help as it has most of our T23s!
 
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Well that's part of the reason we gave them for such a bargain!

I think the yanks would have to step in, - I guess it is just posturing!
 
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I know nowt about air power,and probably less about our submarine potential but I would think 4 subs in the area[if not being fitted out] would be enough presence to stop any surface threat from either country.
It's happened before and you can be sure there will be no troop landing in the Falklands from a surface fleet.
It has to be by air and 4 Typhoons can match anything they have,more aircraft if needed.
I think it's just sabre rattling to get a share of the oil and knowing Broon they will get it.
Probably Cameron as well.
Still we could always say to the Yanks as we have a national problem our troops are out of Affistan to take care of it.
Let other NATO nations pull some weight.
 
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Waspie said:
With our alliance with the USA, backing them up with Iraq and Af'stan would they assist in a South Atlantic naval conflict?

Most of our assets abroad at present are ground troops! The USA must have a few odd Amphib ships floating around somewhere waiting for fisty cuffs!!!!!!
I'd suggest our 'alliance' with the USA is a bit of one way street, they were not exactly helpful in the last spot of bother.
I can't, given the massive hispanic population in the USA, ever see them outwardly assisting, and thus offending, massive proportions of their own citizens.
 
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I thought our alliance with the U.S is about us helping them when ever they need it, but they dont help us in our times of need.
 
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The country has no money, the oil industry has stacks. Let them build/buy/borrow and man the ships. It's analogous to nightclubs providing their own bouncers. :lol:

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Waspie said:
With our alliance with the USA, backing them up with Iraq and Af'stan would they assist in a South Atlantic naval conflict?

Most of our assets abroad at present are ground troops! The USA must have a few odd Amphib ships floating around somewhere waiting for fisty cuffs!!!!!!
Off course the USA, we would ask them to cover for us as we had difficulties elsewhere

We would give them 98% of the oil revenue
then spend sixty years paying off the war debt to them
(Apart from the oil revenue I believe we have done this before)
 

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daffy1 said:
I thought our alliance with the U.S is about us helping them when ever they need it, but they dont help us in our times of need.
And there it is. Daffy, you've hit the nail on the head mate.
 
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I understand what you are saying about the USA's previous lack of wishing to lend a hand whilst the rest of the world was killing each other. (WW2).

This time is different in that the USA is itself is actively involved in a war alongside us.

My personal view is that they would offer the usual 'intelligence' but would decline any active involvement of personnel and hardware.
 
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The Americans did more for us last time in terms of intel and equipment than the rest of NATO did, so remember to give them a bashing as well as the Yanks.
 
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AngryMonkey said:
The Americans did more for us last time in terms of intel and equipment than the rest of NATO did, so remember to give them a bashing as well as the Yanks.
Ahhhh but we don't have that "special relationship" with NATO that we have with our American cousins.
 

cupoftea

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"Argentina has ruled out military action and is trying to pressure Britain into negotiations on sovereignty."

Don't forget that Blair nearly gave Gibraltar back to Spain, and made some noises about sharing sovereignty over the Falklands until the respective populations said "are you fack...". It looks as if the Argentinians are counting on this approach and are going to gang up on Britain at the UN with their erstwhile Latin American brethren instead.
 
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