Failed medical and Appeal.

#1
hi, I’m a 18 year old female who is looking to join the Navy as a Marine Engineering Technician. I’ve reached the stage of the triage nurse phone call, the start went brilliant although then went downhill.

I had been open on past self harm on my medical forms although I had only done this once which was over 5 years ago, these scars were from razors. More recently (last year) I was drinking with a few friends and an ex-boyfriend, this resulted in two burns on my arm which were performed by my ex (boyfriend at the time) and one of his friends. If anything I would put this down to peer pressure and I was devastated in the morning realising they had scarred. I told this to the nurse during the phone call and she agreed. Although she said that due to the fact that I have no medical records backing anything up she couldn’t accept me. She also referred to the fact that there is no evidence to back up my claims that the burns weren’t performed by myself.

In case people were not aware, the burns are from lighters and they are referred to as smilies where I come from. The reason I have two is because the first smilie failed because they used the wrong type of lighter, they have more of an A shape than a smile. The person I was dating at the time had a very busy history of self harm with admissions to hospitals included.

I’m really hoping this isn’t a case of curiosity killed the cat, although I need some advice for my appeal, I’m looking to visit the GP to see if they can help fight my corner but other than that I don’t have much evidence when it comes to proving it wasn’t me.

Any advice anyone could offer would be appreciated.
 

Ninja_Stoker

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#2
If you consented and permitted somebody else to scar you, it is pretty much the same as self-harm I'd have thought.

If the scars were inflicted without your consent, then I'd hope there was at the very least a police incident report of alleged assault which would form the basis of an appeal against the medical assumption of "self harm".

The irony is, of course that body piercings, inserts and tattoos are not counted as self harm as the person conducting them is supposedly a "qualified" individual. Go figure.

Best of luck.
 
#3
If you consented and permitted somebody else to scar you, it is pretty much the same as self-harm I'd have thought.

If the scars were inflicted without your consent, then I'd hope there was at the very least a police incident report of alleged assault which would form the basis of an appeal against the medical assumption of "self harm".

The irony is, of course that body piercings, inserts and tattoos are not counted as self harm as the person conducting them is supposedly a "qualified" individual. Go figure.

Best of luck.
To the nurse and CO I stressed that it wasn’t done for me, speaking to the nurse she did place it under the piercing category from what she said. But she said she failed me on self harm so I’m not to sure if she was referring to the past or recent. Really sticky situation because I really don’t want to get police involved.
Sorry I did message you but didn’t realise you had already replied.


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Ninja_Stoker

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To the nurse and CO I stressed that it wasn’t done for me, speaking to the nurse she did place it under the piercing category from what she said. But she said she failed me on self harm so I’m not to sure if she was referring to the past or recent. Really sticky situation because I really don’t want to get police involved.
Sorry I did message you but didn’t realise you had already replied.


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One incident of self harm over three years ago is usually OK unless there are subsequent or previous episodes. I'd be inclined to appeal with a letter from your GP verifying your recorded history.

No worries ref the PM.

Good luck.
 
#5
CAPITA are on a killing spree. I think they're the real reason the Navy is undermanned!

(CAPITA are creating their own, secret and private military to take over the UK...)

Best of luck.
 
#6
CAPITA are on a killing spree. I think they're the real reason the Navy is undermanned!

(CAPITA are creating their own, secret and private military to take over the UK...)

Best of luck.
Haha, I can understand why they’re so strict with all this though, just a matter of proving what I’m saying really. In my case, I don’t think things are looking great unfortunately.

Thank you for the advice @Ninja_Stoker


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CAPITA are on a killing spree. I think they're the real reason the Navy is undermanned!

(CAPITA are creating their own, secret and private military to take over the UK...)

Best of luck.
Mate after the traversty of a medical process that i have been through over 8 months as a fully fit, fighting age male, i actually think you are correct.

I had to appeal something that even the most rudimentary of investigations into context and background would have eliminated.

I genuinely think that recruitment levels might be higher if the Service was still doing it, and not a civilian contractor.

I mean christ, i did the hearing test and the "doctor" gave me something that looked like an old Sony walkman, complete with flimsy foam headphones.

No soundproof booth, no effort to give the best possible chance of passing. Quite the opposite in fact. As a result, failed.

Went to boots, got a real hearing test done with a real hearing specialist, Passed.

My GP sent this off. The GP also had to send proof i was cured of leishmaniasis, a tropical disease i acquired in Iraq in 2003. 14 years ago....the capita doctor wanted to know if it had been cured. Lol.

The whole thing just generally took so long for no justifiable reason, i might now be too old to join by the time my recruitment process is completed.

I applied in December 2016, aged 35.

I dread to think how many people have been turned away by the terrible system Capita use. Or how many people have just given up after being given non sensical hurdle after non sensical hurdle to jump over.

If the Navy is 10% under strength that realistically only needs to be about 1 in every 10 potential recruits getting wrongly failed. Not that much of a stretch.

I mean seriously, 2 months, to make an £80 payment to my GP is ridiculous. And it happened twice. Incompetent is not the word.

Don't get me wrong, some of the individual people i spoke to during the dozens of follow up calls i had to make were very helpful.

Its just the bureaucratic nature of the process and the lack of urgency to fulfil even basic requirements, means for me the whole process really needs looking at and rethinking.

As for the OP, good luck, and keep fighting.
 
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Mate after the traversty of a medical process that i have been through over 8 months as a fully fit, fighting age male, i actually think you are correct.

I had to appeal something that even the most rudimentary of investigations into context and background would have eliminated.

I genuinely think that recruitment levels might be higher if the Service was still doing it, and not a civilian contractor.

I mean christ, i did the hearing test and the "doctor" gave me something that looked like an old Sony walkman, complete with flimsy foam headphones.

No soundproof booth, no effort to give the best possible chance of passing. Quite the opposite in fact. As a result, failed.

Went to boots, got a real hearing test done with a real hearing specialist, Passed.

My GP sent this off. The GP also had to send proof i was cured of leishmaniasis, a tropical disease i acquired in Iraq in 2003. 14 years ago....the capita doctor wanted to know if it had been cured. Lol.

The whole thing just generally took so long for no justifiable reason, i might now be too old to join by the time my recruitment process is completed.

I applied in December 2016, aged 35.

I dread to think how many people have been turned away by the terrible system Capita use. Or how many people have just given up after being given non sensical hurdle after non sensical hurdle to jump over.

If the Navy is 10% under strength that realistically only needs to be about 1 in every 10 potential recruits getting wrongly failed. Not that much of a stretch.

I mean seriously, 2 months, to make an £80 payment to my GP is ridiculous. And it happened twice. Incompetent is not the word.

Don't get me wrong, some of the individual people i spoke to during the dozens of follow up calls i had to make were very helpful.

Its just the beaurcratic nature of the process and the lack of urgency to fulfil even basic requirements, means for me the whole process really needs looking at and rethinking.

As for the OP, good luck, and keep fighting.
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