Facebook: Royal Naval Reserve: HMS Scotia - RFA Fort Victoria Deployment

#1
"A team of Seaman Reserve specialists from HMS Scotia have recently returned from a 5-month deployment providing force protection on RFA Fort Victoria. Despite the incredibly hot conditions and the long working hours, there was still time to pose for a photo!"

2DD, Is that more the kind of image you had in mind?
 
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#4
What's wrong with that one? There's no overweight PO, nobody who appears to be someone's grandmother, and a couple of rifles. Granted the chap is squinting not because he's steely, but because he's chosen to wear his specs on his knee instead of on his face, but you can't have everything!
 
#5
What's wrong with that one? There's no overweight PO, nobody who appears to be someone's grandmother, and a couple of rifles. Granted the chap is squinting not because he's steely, but because he's chosen to wear his specs on his knee instead of on his face, but you can't have everything!
It's phot for showing to your mates on facebook. Not using as official recruiting material.
 

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#7
It's phot for showing to your mates on facebook. Not using as official recruiting material.
Very true. Can't have real photos of real people seemingly enjoying the job they signed up for now, can we?

All official phots to include people in immaculate, we'll pressed uniforms at all times. Junior officers may be photographed but not mandatory - having middle aged, slightly overweight senior rates is though. This photograph should be withdrawn immediately and replaced with a "lifelike" MoD approved pic! :love:
 
#8
The photo was posted by a reservist on his Facebook page for his mates, and not for a bunch of opinionated blokes to slag it off and say some pretty disrespectful things about his female mate. It is a free country and all that, but guys, think before you post, not everyone is as robust as you are.
Now, as I have posted on here, I'm standing by for incoming, and happy to receive it, but I don't think he posted that photo, so give him some slack. :)
 
#9
How has it been distributed in the public domain if it was on facebook? If it was public then its a freefall really they should sort out security, if someone else shared it then he should kidney jab them.
 
#12
Two RNR's appearing to be on watch sat on a bollard posing for phots.

Kind a sums up what many regulars say about the RNR. Could have given them a brew and a sandwich to cap it off.

We had a lass in our team who used to spend her watch sat on the stowage lockers on the arse end of the Cardi, rifle on the locker next to her chatting away to the deckies who were "her mates". The deckies actually hated her because while she was st on her fat un shooting the breeze they were having to work scrubbing the deck, painting etc. Used to drive the rest of the team nuts because we all got tarred with the same brush.

While it's good to show people enjoying themselves and even enjoying their work it's important to put across the right image and that photo failed miserably.

I know that our unit has made similar faux pas in the past although I think we've learned from those mistakes.
 
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#13
How about a Reservist on deployment getting stuck in with their Regular counterparts and like a fade out to their 'day' job somewhere in the image. Hard to explain what i mean without mocking it up but i cant be arsed to do that in all honesty. Whilst some may join in the hope of only dipping in when absolutely necessary, i am sure those that the service are trying to attract are those who want to get involved as much as they can in regards to working as the regulars do as far as they can when deployed. The main pull therefore is being able to maintain a career in the civilian world at the same time, and creating a new part to ones life without leaving everything else behind. If an image could incorporate the opportunities whilst reiterating the fact that you can still work in your job it might draw a few eyes. It might not though, had a few too many and waiting in a taxi **** in the rain passing time looking busy on me dog and bone. Cool.
 

jrwlynch

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#14
Whilst some may join in the hope of only dipping in when absolutely necessary, i am sure those that the service are trying to attract are those who want to get involved as much as they can in regards to working as the regulars do as far as they can when deployed.
The trouble is, not a lot of RNR roles are able to get close to "working as the Regulars can" once you're aboard ship - which is where most people think the Navy works, with some justification. That I'm providing valuable information to the ship's warfare team is one thing, but I'm probably doing it from Marlborough or Leydene buildings at Collingrad rather than aboard... and while it's a good job, it doesn't photograph very well.

Similarly, in the day job, I'll turn up helping the gollies, gunners and PWOs on their courses in a few niche areas, and turn up on ships a couple of times a year; which I enjoy doing for several reasons, but it does highlight that just as they can't do my job, I certainly can't walk into theirs, in or out of rig. If we try to sell the RNR as "like the regular Navy except part-time" we'll disappoint people badly. (See my earlier mumblings about not overdoing the guns'n'boats fun stuff) - we need to not only get them through the door, but onto the trained strength and staying for a few years.

Where Rachelthree is dead on, though, is the buzz you get when you're doing something that needs doing, and doing it well enough that nobody cares whether you're regular, RNR or civilian as long as you keep doing it. Maybe we need to make more of the RNR bringing extra capability that the regulars are short of or don't have, rather than trying to sell "Regular RN Lite"?

All opinions valued at £0.02 only - if I thought I had any good ideas about improving RNR recruitment I would be doing more than dripping here about what I didn't think would work...
 
#15
Ah i see, shows what some of the advertisements lead people to believe :p i guess they need to then highlight the importance of the roles in that they are not usually onboard, but they are still vital and you are just as much valued because the work you do does make a difference. I guess they need to figure something out that illustrates that despite being one organisation with common goals, the RNR is a unique beast all of its own at the same time. It seems like that may actually appeal to people more knowing that, needs a catchy slogan and some poweful imagery. Erm...a person at one of these shore establishments but made to look like they are physically in the midst of the action- but then they leave and go home to a comfy bed and family instead of to a cabin onboard :D nah i have no idea!
 
#16
A genuine photo of some service personnel clearly having a bit of innocent fun. Marvellous! What a refreshing change from the stilted PR shots we usually see.
 

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#17
Two RNR's appearing to be on watch sat on a bollard posing for phots.

Kind a sums up what many regulars say about the RNR. Could have given them a brew and a sandwich to cap it off.
Or given the massive fan directly behind them it is where the sentry team take breaks from the heat and thus they've done nothing different from what a thousand personnel have done. Presumably all the YouTube videos of regulars lipsyncing pop songs don't affect the opinions of other regulars in the same way then?

Perhaps many RNR members would say they've seen plenty of gangway sentries sitting down, posing for phots, drinking tea or eating. They've also thought nothing of it, until you say something like that.

It also wasn't a PERSEC breach, it was posed on their unit's official Facebook page by their unit. Loads of regulars get their details published on the internet as part of publicity - this didn't even have that, just "two reservists".
 

CmdKeen

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#18
Really? look at the comments to the picture, from there you can get to the fella's own Facebook page (with more chad phots), link to his friends (with even more chad phots) and family etc - not a PERSEC breach? hmmm, I beg to differ.
Well then the PERSEC breach is by the individual not the unit, which was the original suggestion.

However there's also the fact that the RNR encourage people to admit they are members, and every security brief points out the dichotomy. Just because there are chad photos online and accessible doesn't make for a massive PERSEC breach by those standards.
 

CmdKeen

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#19
Perhaps you should arrange a presentation on online security from FEWSG, may change your mind.
We've had it - with the presenter then acknowledging the odd situation of the reserves where we are also encouraged to tell people about our membership in order to recruit, and indeed just get the word out about the reserves.

You know what the stupid part of that presentation is, or at least the old version of it - all that build-up with Facebook pictures, online charity pages etc in order to find a name and address works in London. In the rest of the country the world is sufficiently small that you don't need all that electronic "wizardry" to track down someone's address.

Units and the wider military are perfectly happy to publish people's names, photos and units. All those fancy FEWSG briefs say nothing about going ex-directory, not being shown on your employer's website with your photo and name.

There's an ongoing process of putting the photos, names and service biographies of reserve personnel in the local press. Where were the PERSEC cries there?
 

CmdKeen

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#20
Well, it's up to the individual, but it's harder to track down personal details if your own PERSEC is tight, by that I mean locking down who can access your digital info, not having your picture in a local paper.
I do agree - but it's all a matter of degrees rather than an absolute. The "best" unit members are the ones who both advertise their membership of the RNR online, and appear in the press.


PS. The most recent security brief has this site appear, but had a greatly toned down section on social media...
 

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