Discussion in 'History' started by Billy Q, Dec 30, 2015.

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  1. MOD replied to a FOIA request thus:-

    HMS Scarborough F63

    HMS Scarborough was a destroyer engaged in meteorological/weather patrol duties
    during operation Grapple Z (August and September 1958). In this duty, it can be confirmed
    she was accompanied by HMNZS Pukaki, a ship belonging to the Royal New Zealand

    With that vast army of uniformed and civilian staff you think someone at MOD would nave realised that Pennant Numbers for Destroyers stopped using F as a designatory letter in 1940.
  2. Seadog

    Seadog War Hero Moderator

    Given the weight of semi literate, frivolous, mischievous and downright bone FOI requests that the MOD receive from hater civvies and from bitter, twisted, unappreciated uckers kings; I think that they can be allowed a non strategic error.

    The only people who give a shit are semi literate, frivolous, mischievous, bitter, twisted, downright bone, unappreciated uckers kings.
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  3. You have a point in the first part of your first paragraph, Seadog.

    But you are wrong in para 2. It is a perfectly valid gripe that MOD failed to grasp that the HMS Scarborough mentioned was a frigate, not a destroyer. Does it matter? Yes, it bloody does. An official response should get it right. This FOI reply goes into a database, which ensures that the error will continue. The person who made the original FOI request has been given duff information, which does not help MOD's credibility.

    OK, HMS Scarborough decommissioned in about 1972. To be fair to the poor bastard lumbered with the FOI reply, it means that only a tiny number of people now involved with the RN/MOD are likely to remember her - although a few more will remember other Type 12s.

    Destroyers? Frigates? Corvettes? Escorts? What do they all mean, anyway?

    Surely someone with an interest in naval history - and I believe you do have such an interest - can see the slippery slope here. Anyone doing research in the future - and possibly many years hence - is going to get a bum steer re accurate information on HMS Scarborough if they look at the MOD's records.

    A non strategic error? Nah. Poor research, ignorance, carelessness - much more likely. And I was shit at uckers.
  4. If someone researches HMS Scarborough in the future and only uses one piece of material in that research and so perpetuates the destroyer error, then they're not much of a researcher IMO.

    Theologians being a prime example ;)
  5. But does that justify an erroneous reply by MOD to a request under FOI?
  6. Mistakes happen, it's not a world stopper.
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  7. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    its likely a genuine error. people dont realise how much time foi request can take, and that there are often dozens on the go at once. noone is trying to intentionally mislead, but in lean manned teams dealing with often very obscure material, the occasional error is possible.

    i would have more sympathy if every foi request was sensibly written and set out what the requestor wanted to see. too many are often hugely cryptic rants that require major decyphering to understand what they want to know (see the what do they know website for numerous examples). often the person drafting is not a subject expert but someone trying to do their best with often scant information on all fronts.

    the classy solution would be to write it off as a genuine mistake not worthy of further comment.
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  8. Is there a 'Great Insults' thread that can go on?
  9. Seadog

    Seadog War Hero Moderator

    Has your upper case key suffered a catastrophic failure or are you being mischievous?
  10. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    Mobile phone doesnt do caps and beyond my ken to work out how to fix :)
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  11. Real RNR Officers communicate with crayons.
  12. Anyway, what did you learn of her activities?
  13. Seadog

    Seadog War Hero Moderator

    You technophobe.
  14. I like the ones that taste of purple.

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