Exams waste of money & time !

Mad_Dog

Midshipman
Experience is the key and if that means starting lower down then so be it anyone can pass MCSe exams its experience recruiters in IT want, end of. Exama re just amoney making scam similar to football fans season tickets, can you justify the price? erm no.....
 
MSCE is a computer geeky exam for those not in the know. But apart from not making any grammatical sense, clearly Mad_Dog does not share my thirst for knowledge. It doesn't matter if an exam has a point, it is all about furthering oneself if that is what one wants.

I started at the bottom in law, gained exprience and took exams at the same time - both have their advocates - my experience helps with the problem solving and the day to day running of my workload, but the qualification means that clients respect me because I have letters after my name.
 

Karma

War Hero
MCSE isn't inherently a waste of time and money, it doesn't have a great deal of actual value in the workplace though.

Because most MCSEs are done through the boot camp route there is little practical application or experience, so many end up doing helpdesk or desktop support work. Minimal cash and pretty low job satisfaction.

What's it stand for again? Minesweeper Certified & Solitaire Expert?
 

greenking

Banned
Rosie, letters after your name does not necessarily lead to respect. In this world there are two types of boss figure - leaders and managers. A leader can also be a good manager, I have yet to meet a manager who could be a good leader.

It's about the individuals character traits and I would say experience and knowledge together encased in a good strong character would make the best leader.....IMHO.

And that is what normally leads to respect......or am I being too military?

GK
 
You are thinking in the military box GK. I was referring to the respect that my clients and other lawyers have for me because I have letters after my name. It does not of course mean I am good at what I do, just that I have worked my tits off to get the letters in the first place and it is a measure of my competence, along with all the other things you mention.
 
I tend to disagree Rosie, the letters after or in my case sometimes before the name are the things that get you over the threshold. What lets you stay there is your ability to do the job. When I got into this industry Lt RN Rtd was good enough but not today, they would want BSc as well, and some of those who have worked for me are PhDs. Now having got over the threshold I have managed to hang in on what I know and can do.

Every job has a threshold you have to get over and one of the major things is your qualifcations these days, no paper no job. Now I agree that paper does not guarantee you can do the job andI have seen my share of those who can't.

I do think today there is an over reliance on paper qualifications and for some jobs the threshold is set too high, but that is the way of todays world and unless you actually run the company you will not buck the system.
 
Perhaps it is relative to your particular career, and of course we all speak from that reference point. There are [email protected], but well trained lawyers, qualified to the hilt who are academic and have little empathy with their clients, and then there are people who do the job well because they have been doing it for years and know practically everything there is to know!
 

silverfox

War Hero
Moderator
Book Reviewer
"I started at the bottom in law"

Thats not a nice way to refer to your other half's mother...

Sorry - didn't mean to distract the thread, just bored and fed up with arguing about locking Iran hostage threads.....
 
silverfox said:
"I started at the bottom in law"

Thats not a nice way to refer to your other half's mother...
That, SF, is a whole area of discussion! If you need distracting I can tell you sometime!
 

Mad_Dog

Midshipman
Moon dog you are obviously are a lost cause logging into something like this on returning from pub, mmm MoonDog needs a life! see ebay...
 

Stirling

Banned
Mad_Dog said:
Moon dog you are obviously are a lost cause logging into something like this on returning from pub, mmm yMoonDog needs a life! see eba...
So do you reviving a 3 year old thread. :roll:
 

tufty

Lantern Swinger
MCSEs get you interviews because they are one of the ways hundreds of applications are sorted.

In the recent round of redundancies at Fujitsu they also counted for you when peoples skills/usefulness were being assessed. If you had a qualification of that type you were less likely to be made redundant. And don't start telling me its the job, not the person that gets made redundant - I've heard that one :)

So whilst they aren't much use when it comes to doing the job and yes, experience does count, they are worth having. Especially now when IT jobs are thin on the ground and hundreds can apply for just one job.
 

NZ_Bootneck

War Hero
Well if you pay your own money, perhaps.
I much perfer to get my employer to pay for mine.
Adult Apprenticeship to City and Guilds Standard and paid leave to study if required-kerching.
Professional qualifications to National Diploma level and paid leave etc-kerching.
Registration fees, travel, accomodation, meal allowances etc and paid leave to attend conferences, seminars and talk fests-kerching.
Time? Well if time spent studying for a recognisable qualification shows that you can absorb information, gather facts and then use those facts to argue a point of view cogently and write reports with credible citations to support your findings, I'd hardly call that time wasted.
Experience and on the job learning however is only as good as is provided.
MadDog obviously picked up most of his Higher Education on those most learned terraces of Highbury (Now Emirates Polytechnic). Innit!
 
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