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Ex-RN senior Rates Joining RNR?

trehorn

War Hero
Can anyone shed any light on something I came across recently.

Apparently ex-RN senior rates must be refered to Portsmouth before they are allowed to join the RNR. I've heard tales of them being refused because the RNR apparently has enough senior rates?

Can anyone fill me in on the gen?

TYVM :D
 

freddyffox

Midshipman
All ex-RN are referred to Pompey to ensure that they have the necessary pre-requisites for their chosen branch. However, I have not heard of any being refused on the grounds of there being too many SRs, although there must be a billet available for them to move in to. Certainly in my unit we could do with a few more and ex-RN SR's are always excellent additions - promotion is done by branch requirement.

Best plan is to contact, or have a unit contact NPT(Res) and get the full picture.

The RNR would be very dumb to turn away experienced RN senior rates.
 

Karma

War Hero
trehorn said:
Apparently ex-RN senior rates must be refered to Portsmouth before they are allowed to join the RNR.

All applications to rejoin the Naval Service are referred to NC HQ in Portsmouth, CMRs team will complete a review of service documents and will trawl the various specialisations based on the skillsets and the specialisation that the rejoining applicant asks for.

I've heard tales of them being refused because the RNR apparently has enough senior rates?

Can anyone fill me in on the gen?

Possibly, possibly not. It may be that the specialisation that the rejoining candidate has asked for has no opportunities at the rank or rate involved. A trawl of other specialisations may not indicate anyone for whom the individual is attractive.

Age is also an issue, with deployability being a bit driver for the RNR, and the demographics being quite unbalanced at the moment.

I know my specialisation have rejected several applications for re-entry recently.
 
I know from experience that all former regular senior rates have to be refered for acceptance if they are outside for more than a year.

I was told that very few get rejected but I suppose that is branch dependent and as the service requires.

My betting is that if the application is for non-SEA branches then they should be OK, SEA branch maybe (I don't know for sure) more difficult if the stories regards the "top-heavy" nature of the branch.

I my experience, you get in. :)
 

Karma

War Hero
Sopwith_Cameltoe said:
I know from experience that all former regular senior rates have to be refered for acceptance if they are outside for more than a year.

All re-entrants are referred, but if outside for more than a year the process for re-entry is more burdensome as it involves a full re-application via the AFCO.
 
Whilst it can be useful to have some regular experience within the Branch, promotion seems to be a case of dead mans shoes at the moment, so the last thing we need is for more senior rates. In addition to this, there are RNR Senior rates who have no intention of being mobilised but just seem to hang around the branch telling people how to do things they have never done in an operational environment.. If they have no intention of mobilising then they should just leave and let those who are commited get on with it.
 

(granny)

RIP
Book Reviewer
Bridge_Roof_Spotter said:
Whilst it can be useful to have some regular experience within the Branch, promotion seems to be a case of dead mans shoes at the moment, so the last thing we need is for more senior rates. In addition to this, there are RNR Senior rates who have no intention of being mobilised but just seem to hang around the branch telling people how to do things they have never done in an operational environment.. If they have no intention of mobilising then they should just leave and let those who are commited get on with it.

Not much point in my volunteering then?
 
I'll just add what I said in the B13 page, They are intending to mobilise everyone who is qualified to do so and if they don't leave of their own accord OR refuse to be mobilised then they are going outside (that is to say, they will be leaving the RNR).

Frustrating right now I know but they have to start somewhere.

Also, those who aren't qualified to mobilise have a set amount of time to get qualified or they too will be outside (time period unknown).

I will also add that this is only what I have been told and I haven't verified it myself. Anyone know anything more? (please feel free to tell me I'm talking rubbish! I'm new to the reserve, so please be nice about it or I'll set my regular buddies on you :D (that’s a joke, not a very good one granted but still))

Edited for spell check reasons!
 
(granny) said:
Bridge_Roof_Spotter said:
Whilst it can be useful to have some regular experience within the Branch, promotion seems to be a case of dead mans shoes at the moment, so the last thing we need is for more senior rates. In addition to this, there are RNR Senior rates who have no intention of being mobilised but just seem to hang around the branch telling people how to do things they have never done in an operational environment.. If they have no intention of mobilising then they should just leave and let those who are commited get on with it.

Not much point in my volunteering then?

No problem you volunteering if you would be good for the Branch! If the allaged cull of deadwood takes place, then we will need some good people to replace them and move things forward and they may not all come from within. I have heard talk of the RNR getting rid of the deadwood before and whether anything actually happens remains to be seen.
 

mrbullcrap

Lantern Swinger
I'm the opposite,if i don't finish my branch training fast enough to get mobilised as quickly as possible then i'm leaving.
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
When I came outside (as a 22 year SR) I wanted to do my bit and continue in the RNR. They did not want to know and were a bit brusque. No names, no pack drill!!

It is all water under the bridge now, but the HMCG weren't so fussy and I spent many happy hours at a MRSC 'doing my bit' instead. Until HMCG got rid of Auxiliaries.

RNR's loss!! :lol:
 
SONAR-BENDER said:
When I came outside (as a 22 year SR) I wanted to do my bit and continue in the RNR. They did not want to know and were a bit brusque. No names, no pack drill!!

It is all water under the bridge now, but the HMCG weren't so fussy and I spent many happy hours at a MRSC 'doing my bit' instead. Until HMCG got rid of Auxiliaries.

RNR's loss!! :lol:

And there winging on here about not having enough manpower,,there saying that some of us on RR are frightening away the potential recruits,its a ferkin outrage, :wink:
 

dunkers

War Hero
Spot on NZB, and the lethargy in the chain of command you point out (8 years before starting to think about thinning out deadwood) is one of the reasons the RNR is losing its better people. Who wants to serve in an organisation that can't get its arse in gear for something as basic as that? The switched on plastic matelots (as I have lovingly been referred to by regular colleagues ;) ) certainly don't.

I wonder what the RNR will look like in 5 years' time (if it's still around then). Isn't there a huge number due to retire soon? The proportion of serving RNRs over the age of 40 is pretty staggering.
 

PartTimer

War Hero
NZ_Bootneck said:
I've been out of the loop for yonks and it took me about 5 mins to work that out! (And it probably shows.) WTF are the Reserves Command actually getting paid for?
The Armed Forces of the UK have been on active service for 8 years and certain people on here think that posts on RR have more effect on recruitment than people who have the gall to take the Queens shilling, as it were, but start umming and arring about actually doing their 'job' on Active Service. The loafers shoud be given an option of pick a deployment or feck off.
If you (RNR and other Resrve Forces) want the respect of the Regulars get your arses out of your comfort zones.

It seems strange this ground is being covered again. from a personal perspective we lost a lot of people 6-7 years ago at my unit - oddly enough when things started to get serious and started to get mobilised. Maybe it varies with units, I don't know. I know a lot of hard working people in the RNR who try their damndest to provide trained personnel for the RN. With restrictions in Man Training Days, etc, this can take 2,3 or even more years depending on the branch. In this time goal posts change, budgets change, branches are closed or opened (even appear and disappear). It makes for a difficuly environment in which to keep people enthusiastic.

Just a thought too, what may appears as 'dead wood' to one person may be one of the stalwarts of a branch with considerable experience and expertise and are always there instructing every drill night, every trainng weekend, every exercise. Are these guys dead wood or key enablers?

As for getting arses in gear, a singificant proportion have mobilised, some more than once, and have being doing so for several years. Don't forget though there's not a huge demand currently for most RNR branches (stand fast the like of AWFP, or whatever they're called these days) for obvious reasons, so most people end up doing something out of branch (ie individual augmentee) and these opportuntities are few. I can tell you that there are far more volunteers for these posts than there are slots. The likes of the TA, RAuxAF and RMR have far more relevant skills for current ops and therefore have had a far higher mobilisation rate (IIRC RAuxAF is close on 100%).

Going back to the original question of SRs joining the RNR, there is a problem of top heaviness in some branches, hence why the slots are just not there.
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
The RNR is keen to go, people want to deploy for the most part and there is no lack of volunteers for mobilisation to fill jobs. From a personal perspective, having been lined up for mobilisation this autumnn, and having to drop out due to the PULHEEMS medical picking up a significant injury issue, there is nothing worse than being told that you cannot go and do the job you joined to do. You really do feel like a complete waste of space.

The questions that need to be asked are as follows:

1. What does HQ Navy want to mobilise said Reservist to do?
2. Is the ceiling headcount in theatre (currently hard decked at 8300) going to accommodate an influx of reservists to do jobs? (Having seen the efforts by the RNR to stick a specialist team onto a HERRICK deployment, the answer is usually no!)
3. If you mobilise the RNR individual now, are you sure you won't need them next year to do their real (RNR) job? Mobilisation means you take someone out of the pool of people able to be deployed again for 3 years - so chosing to mobilise people in certain 'pinch point' trades means you are taking a risk that you can provide a specialist to fill the role if required in the next 3 years.

This is part of the RNRs simaltaneous strength and weakness. The RNR exists to man small branches which often are too small for the RN to warrant runnning full time, but which need to be done. At the same time, there is a need for a generalist pool of manpower to do generic SO2/SO3 jobs, but which the current training pipeline has done little to prepare people for. The RNR needs to work out how it can provide a branch based capability to support its defined augmentation requirements for wartime, and also provide a pool of generalist officers for augmentation during current Ops.

My own view is that ex regular officers joninig up should be assigned in the first instance to a 'generalist pool' where they can provide an initial pool of manpower to fill current SO2/SO3 vacancies for the first couple of years in the RNR, while they still have credible current staff skills. They can then train in the branch as required to specialise and then do a tour as a specialist officer.
 
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