Navy Net - Royal Navy Community

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Ev. Standard: "Ark Royal Could Be A Museum In The Docklands"

off_les_aura

War Hero
I think this is a great idea if it's affordable. I've been on Intrepid in NYC and it's awesome. Stick a few old cabs on deck and hey-ho instant money maker.
 

Not_a_boffin

War Hero
Unlikely to happen in UK unfortunately. Joe Public couldn't give a flying f8ck about naval heritage if they have to pay for it, as witnessed by the continuing saga of HMS Plymouth. When we've had the chance to bring back really significant UK warships (eg ex-Vengeance and ex-Whimbrel), both have foundered on a wave of apathy.

Something similar happened when Ark IV was decommissioned - IIRC there was a hare-brained plan to turn her into a docklands heliport, which came to nothing.

Would love to see something like this though.......

http://www.midway.org/
 

older_joiner

Lantern Swinger
I read on a comment about this article that if the Ark Royal name is used for a ship in this situtation, then it cannot be used again for an active ship.
Is this correct or have I been misled?
 
Re: Ev. Standard: "Ark Royal Could Be A Museum In The Dockla

Regeneration for the East End ?

As what ? Social Housing perhaps, or halfway house for the mob coming from over the Channel ?

I know what for! It'd be a damned good place to accomodate all these MPs dishonestly claiming oodles of cash for 'flats/houses' in the Capital.
Nominal rent, at market prices for an Officers cabin - or maybe bunkbeds in the Hangar .... :wink:
 

off_les_aura

War Hero
older_joiner said:
I read on a comment about this article that if the Ark Royal name is used for a ship in this situtation, then it cannot be used again for an active ship.
Is this correct or have I been misled?

Not sure. Is that why when Warrior was restored she was known as HMS Warrior 1860 to avoid confusion with Northwood? Perhaps she could be called Ark Royal 1985 to free up the name.
 

jockpopeye

Lantern Swinger
Book Reviewer
Re: Ev. Standard: "Ark Royal Could Be A Museum In The Dockla

I have suggested this before but sell it to the Chinese who will make it into a "Casino"...
Chinese Casino

Alternatively a mausoleum "Here lies the Royal Navy, 16th century - 2010, defender of a nation, its people and its empire for centuries, destroyed to pay for jobseekers allowance." This inscription should also be available in Chinese for the benefit of our future imperial masters.
 

pompeymick

Midshipman
Old Joiner, I think you are right, that is why they changed the name of Victory Barracks to HMS Nelson apparently it confused the postmen amongst othe people as mentioned the name of Warrior was the same
 

off_les_aura

War Hero
Re: Ev. Standard: "Ark Royal Could Be A Museum In The Dockla

jockpopeye said:
Alternatively a mausoleum "Here lies the Royal Navy, 16th century - 2010, defender of a nation, its people and its empire for centuries, destroyed to pay for jobseekers allowance." This inscription should also be available in Chinese for the benefit of our future imperial masters.

:D
 

older_joiner

Lantern Swinger
pompeymick said:
Old Joiner, I think you are right, that is why they changed the name of Victory Barracks to HMS Nelson apparently it confused the postmen amongst othe people as mentioned the name of Warrior was the same

Thanks for the confirmation.
 
pompeymick said:
Old Joiner, I think you are right, that is why they changed the name of Victory Barracks to HMS Nelson apparently it confused the postmen amongst othe people as mentioned the name of Warrior was the same

I think most people knew the difference between HMS Victory barracks & HMS Victory the ship way back in the 60s, so I can't say I agree with you here - most of Pompey's posties were/are probably ex RN anyway. ;)

More like someone in MOD probably thought it'd be a spiffing idea !!

:)
 

Seaweed

War Hero
Book Reviewer
When HMS Nelson aka RNB was also HMS Victory, the ship had a sign by the gangway reading "HMS Victory (Ship)" to help out anyone who was didn't know the difference. 'Victory' was the base ship for pay for all the odds and sods in Portsmouth. During the war there were HMS Victory I, II, III etc and so also for HMS Vernon as various outstations were commissioned along the coast.

It is possible that RNB, when it came ashore replacing various insanitary hulks, became HMS Victory because RN people always had to be on the books of a commissioned, real, floating ship, so the barrack stanchions were actually on the books of the wooden, real warship. Other shore establishments with an apparent HMS name seemed to have some piece of small fry as a tender which actually bore the name as a commisisoned ship and allthe hndreds of bods ashore were on 'her' books.

It took the Andrew some time to figure out that people couldlegally serve ashore and still be paid for it.

Nowadays I think this isn't about tradition, it's about obvious scope for screwups over mail.
 

2_deck_dash

War Hero
Not wishing to start up the 42 thread again, but I still don't understand why our governments make such a public show when scrapping ships. Surely it would be considerably better value to keep all our dead ships, sail or tow them to our few foreign interests, i.e. The Falklands, Gib, Diego Garcia etc. and keep them looking vaguely serviceable with a small skeleton crew.

The Argies would definitely think twice before their next lot of sabre rattling, if there was a carrier permanently docked in Stanley. Like I said, the thing doesn't need to be able to move, it just needs to look mean and create the element of doubt in order to deter. All it would take is a few lads on the upper deck once a day, fresh lick of paint every now and then, the odd helo landing on deck etc. The crew could even be made up of sick chit biffs or trainees, it's not like they are actually going to sea.

The Russians have been doing this for years and have even been known to swap pennant numbers on ships in order to look like they have more serviceable gear.
 
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
BreathingOutOnTheWayUp Not the Graf, just a bog standard Spree? Diamond Lil's 7
MoD_RSS ESFA to require reduction in subcontracted activity and introduce a new subcontracting standard, following sector consultation MoD News 0
MoD_RSS AAIB Report: Standard Cirrus 75, fatal accident MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Response to the recommendations of the Public Accounts Committee following the inquiry on HMRC Standard Report MoD News 0
MoD_RSS COVID-19: Changes to standard and enhanced ID checking guidelines MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Regulator highlights areas increasing the risk of non-compliance before new Rent Standard is in force MoD News 0
soleil Droitwich Standard: "Sailors To Dock In Droitwich To Talk About 'The Role Of The Royal Navy'" Bases / Shore Est 0
MoD_RSS Companies House retains Customer Service Excellence standard MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Civil news: HPCDS opportunity for 2018 standard contract holders MoD News 0
S Accelerated Scheme Vs Standard Entry Joining the Royal Navy 1
MoD_RSS News story: Military Aviation Authority (MAA) transformation of the design and airworthiness requirements for service aircraft (Defence Standard 00-97 MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Press release: Regulator launches consultation on 2020 Rent Standard MoD News 0
MoD_RSS News story: GC contributes to European standard to combat food fraud MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Press release: Amber Rudd: West Midlands a standard bearer for helping people into work MoD News 0
MoD_RSS News story: New cyber security standard for self-driving vehicles MoD News 0
MoD_RSS News story: Civil news: 2018 standard civil contract holders list available MoD News 0
J failed the medical standard for entry due to Gilbert's syndrome? Joining Up - Royal Navy Recruiting 5
O Press up/sit up standard at raleigh Joining Up - Royal Navy Recruiting 7
soleil E/Standard: Navy’s New Carrier So Large The Crew Need An App To Find Their Way About The Fleet 59
soleil E. Standard: "Belgian Frigate Brings Flanders Soil To London For Memorial" History 0
R Standard Learning Credits The Quarterdeck 0
N standard of entrant. Joining Up - Royal Navy Recruiting 18
soleil Evening Standard: "Navy Could Send Warships To Impose Syria No-Fly Zone" The Fleet 0
Bunter Maybe Oldest Surviving Naval Flag/Standard History 7
soleil Evening Standard: "Navy's Biggest Ship To Guard London Games" The Fleet 8
soleil Evening Standard: "Marines Take The Lead In A Gang Teachers Want Boys To Join" The Corps 0
trelawney126 Russian Blow for the Evening Standard The Gash Barge 0
soleil Dumfries & Galloway Standard: HMS Dragon Prepares To Leave The Clyde The Fleet 6
soleil Redditch & Alcester Standard: "Matthew Is Top Navy Recruit" Bases / Shore Est 7
soleil Evening Standard: "Wedding Role For Prince William's Drugs Raid Comrades" The Fleet 1
T Laying up of the standard HMS Caroline Royal Naval Reserve (RNR) 1
soleil Evening Standard: "Further Defence Cuts To Be Reviewed At Emergency Talks" Current Affairs 20
C fitness standard Joining Up - Royal Navy Recruiting 19
xdous Lacing the standard issue assault boot The Corps 15
soleil Evening Standard: "Defence Review Brought Forward" Current Affairs 1
Z Standard learning credits UPO 7
soleil Standard: "Chopping The Choppers - Helos Facing Big Cuts" The Fleet Air Arm 3
soleil "HMS Lancaster FC receive their FA Charter Standard award" Sports and Adventure Training 0
soleil Standard: "Dithering over defence spend" Current Affairs 13
Z Standard issue boots and skin grafts Health & Fitness 20
M What are the VA3 eyesight standard jobs? Joining Up - Royal Navy Recruiting 1
J Fitness standard Health & Fitness 3
I standard of recruits falling in armed forces? Joining Up - Royal Navy Recruiting 97
M Are RMR really a better standard then Reg. Infantry? RMR 5
M Are RMR really a better standard then Reg. Infantry? The Corps 7
H Standard Naval Entrance Test RMR 5
left_handed_sailor Standard issue kit size Joining Up - Royal Navy Recruiting 22
Father_Famine Interesting polls from the London Evening Standard The Quarterdeck 3
Chalky Designed to Commercial Standard? The Fleet 8
N Stock or Standard Phrases for Reports Diamond Lil's 9
Similar threads


















































New Posts

Top