EU, NO-DEAL BREXIT BACKSTOP...and all that

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I posted this nearly three weeks ago and note that the whole Brexit farce is no farther forward and no-one has suggested why everyone is so entrenched with their position. Currently the only unknown is whether Corbyn can cobble together a "Government of National Unity"/Power grab(delete as your standpoint demands). The MP's ability to agree on anything has been atrocious thus far so it's looking like a non-runner but some of them are that desperate to stop Brexit they're prepared to do anything including putting a Marxist in number ten.
Meanwhile across the Irish Sea their PM(I can't spell teeshock) looks on as the days count down to the Irish having to set up border controls and his country's economy being trashed. He's on the EU roller coaster hanging on tightly hoping someone else is going to dig him out of the fertilizer. The EU already had plenty of other lame duck economies it is minding so perhaps one more won't matter but with less money going into the pot the handouts will not be so generous.
And what about us? According to the Love thy Neighbour bigot, he'll be satisfied if we leave on 31 Oct, presumably without a deal. There is nothing, absolutely nothing put forward by any leave supporting entity which points at economic prosperity post exit - more the opposite if anything. All pro-Leave organisations haven't submitted any plans which gives anyone any confidence there's a strategy of sustenance or even recovery, it seems that the mantra is 'we are leaving', as if leaving itself on it's own makes any salient point and anything there on in is open to fate. And of course, leaving the EU will stop Big Issue sellers and gypsies, it will put a halt to illegal immigration and fix most of his pot of social woes which cost him (undisclosed) amounts of money and restrict his freedoms in an intolerable (undisclosed) manner.

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Exprop

Lantern Swinger
What have we to gain by staying in?
What are the bad points of remaining?

I want facts not projections which is what you have given us so far.
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As has previously been pointed out it is impossible to give facts rather than projections for something which has not yet taken place. Within those constraints I will do my best to set out what is generally agreed by the academic and business communites to be a reasonable expectation

What we gain by staying in is stability for our economy and more especially for those foreign companies who have invested here as their base within the territories of the EU. We continue as individuals to enjoy all of the rights that are guaranteed by the EU and the ability to attract workers with the skills we need in areas such as the NHS. agriculture, IT, finance, etc. As members of significant international grouping we share the power necessary to confront global entities such as Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc. who damage our local industry while avoiding local taxation and control.

The bad points of remaining are that the UK continues to risk being outvoted by other mermbers of the EU, that we will continue to have to resist the national interests of our partners to bias policies in favour of their national interests (common agricultural policy to favour French provincialism, common fisheries policy to favour Spanish fishing fleet, etc.) and that we are required to comply with majority decisions with which we may not agree. There are those who would argue that having to accept free movement of EU citizens is a bad point but it has as many advantages as it presents problems.

Of course there are also arguments to be made about the good points of the UK being a member of the EU but you did not ask for those. I hope they may be self-evident

I do not understand why you think the EU is particularly corrupt (or even undemocratic) since I doubt there is any EU example of corruption for which there is not a similar instance in the UK.

I would also remind you that I am still waiting for an answer to the question I raised with you earlier- If you are not simply angry and wanting someone else to acknowledge it, what is it that you actually want in terms of the UK's relationship with Europe?
 
I would also remind you that I am still waiting for an answer to the question I raised with you earlier- If you are not simply angry and wanting someone else to acknowledge it, what is it that you actually want in terms of the UK's relationship with Europe?
Told you. He wants everyone who doesn't fit his criteria eliminated. If they can't get a job, stop selling Big Issue, renounce their Romany heritage, or even be a 'nice' immigrant who doesn't want the facilities of this country, assimilates to his own stringent requirements then they can **** off. And Leaving the EU will sort that lot out.

Won't it?

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Sumo

War Hero
I suppose asking if I can book Sultan WO&SR Mess for a Brexit Party between Traf Night and Pickle Night is a non-starter then.

PS - Hope your next shit's a hedgehog - no more Mr Nice Guy!
You can try and help, but some are beyond help. Horse to water won't drinky and all that. He is so busy spitting feathers, he cannot see he is eating his pillow.
 

slim

War Hero
I suppose asking if I can book Sultan WO&SR Mess for a Brexit Party between Traf Night and Pickle Night is a non-starter then.

PS - Hope your next shit's a hedgehog - no more Mr Nice Guy!
Is Levers Mess manager at Sultan then?
Bet the mess empties when he steps through the door
 

taffscrivs

War Hero
No, I'll just leave it for all you experts to thrash out.
I just find it amusing when some pompous know all resorts to hurling insults from his soapbox.
Sure sign of an inferiority complex?
 
No, I'll just leave it for all you experts to thrash out.
I just find it amusing when some pompous know all resorts to hurling insults from his soapbox.
Sure sign of an inferiority complex?
Not at all. If you're too intellectually feeble to contribute, then what are you doing here? Oh, I get it. It's all about the ad hominem and sly digs for you, innit sausage? Bless your little cottons.

I hurl insults, because bigots deserve it. If you can't see that, then your best left to lurking in the shadows until you see your moment of opportunity. Off you go, then.

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fishhead

War Hero
And what about us? According to the Love thy Neighbour bigot, he'll be satisfied if we leave on 31 Oct, presumably without a deal. There is nothing, absolutely nothing put forward by any leave supporting entity which points at economic prosperity post exit - more the opposite if anything. All pro-Leave organisations haven't submitted any plans which gives anyone any confidence there's a strategy of sustenance or even recovery, it seems that the mantra is 'we are leaving', as if leaving itself on it's own makes any salient point and anything there on in is open to fate. And of course, leaving the EU will stop Big Issue sellers and gypsies, it will put a halt to illegal immigration and fix most of his pot of social woes which cost him (undisclosed) amounts of money and restrict his freedoms in an intolerable (undisclosed) manner.

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As far as I can tell there is very little wiggle room for Boris after Mrs. Mays deal was hoofed out of parliament on three occasions and the MPs could not find an alternative that a majority could agree upon. We are left with leaving on 31/10/19 as that is the only option voted for and passed into law by the House of Commons. He is in effect carrying out the will of the people and Parliament. He is trying to engage with the EU to find a short term agreement that would get the nod from the HofC but they(the EU) have pulled down the shutters saying the time for negotiation has passed. The other alternative seems to be trying to sack the Government and have an election for a new one which may or may not give us Parliament that can agree on a course of action one way or another.
I'm just a simple pleb but I think like millions of others that all we want is a positive decision one way or another because after three long years we'll be quite happy if the word Brexit is never heard again.
 

taffscrivs

War Hero
Don't worry shag, I can trade insults with the best of them.
One thing I won't do is hurl them just because someone's opinions differ from mine.
I just bung them at big sorted arrogant gits.
And as for Brexit there's nothing you, me or anyone else on here can do to alter the outcome,
whatever it may be. So be a good little boy and shut the **** up.
 
Don't worry shag, I can trade insults with the best of them.
One thing I won't do is hurl them just because someone's opinions differ from mine.
I'm quite at ease with a difference of opinion. I'm not happy when that difference is held up to the daylight and it smacks of xenophobia, and the protagonists try to ameliorate it by offering transparent bullshit and wishful thinking. Hope this helps.

I just bung them at big sorted arrogant gits.
'Big sorted arrogant gits'? What does that mean?

And as for Brexit there's nothing you, me or anyone else on here can do to alter the outcome,
If you'd paid attention, I think you'll find I'm quite resigned to the outcome. My beef is those who uphold the philosophy and don't recognise their own intent. Or seemingly don't seem to want to recognise it, for fear of having to admit they are small minded bigots. You'll understand what I mean. But as far as your contribution to the Brexit debate is concerned, cheers for that. Cool story, bro.

So be a good little boy and shut the **** up.
Nah. That aint gonna happen.

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