EU Chief calls EU an "empire"

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  1. I for one do not welcome my new Franco-Germanic overlords… :rambo:

    Barroso says EU is an 'empire'

    11.07.2007 - 09:12 CET | By Honor Mahony
    EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS – The EU is not just any old international organisation, nor is it a superstate, but it might just be an "empire," according to European Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso.

    Veering into uncharted naming territory after being asked on Tuesday (10 July) by a journalist what kind of a structure the 27-nation bloc is, Mr Barroso said "We are a very special construction unique in the history of mankind,"

    "Sometimes I like to compare the EU as a creation to the organisation of empire. We have the dimension of empire," he said.

    He went on the clarify that instead of like super state empires of old, the EU empire is built on voluntary pooling of power and not on military conquest.

    "What we have is the first non-imperial empire," said the centre-right Mr Barroso, who was formally Portugal's prime minister.

    "We have 27 countries that fully decided to work together and to pool their sovereignty. I believe it is a great construction and we should be proud of it."

    The commission chief said he did not see why the EU should constantly be in "existential doubt" about this, adding that he did not see there being a danger of British, German or French identity ever being lost.

    Communications commissioner Margot Wallstrom, present at the same press conference, steered clear of empire references.

    Instead she paraphrased former US secretary of state Madeleine Albright's comment that one has to be either a "genius or French" to understand the EU.

    They made the comments after giving the commission's official go ahead to a new treaty outline for the bloc.

    This is to be negotiated over the coming months and is to result in a treaty being finalised before the end of the year.

    The treaty mandate was agreed at an ill-tempered EU summit last month and is already being put into question in some capitals.

    Poland has been particularly vocal about re-opening a key part of the agreement on EU voting rights.

    But Mr Barroso reiterated previous comments that the treaty outline should not be undone.

    "There is a principle of good faith. For me it is as important as any legal commitment," he said. "It is inconceivable that an agreement that was agreed unanimously in June is reopened now."
  2. Does anyone believe that it isn't the grand plan? They will chip away at individual sovereignties for however long it takes to achieve it. Anyway, in 20 years time, our Population will be too apathetic to care.
  3. silverfox

    silverfox War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    too much vino verde....... and indeed ideas above his station...
  4. Translation: American to English= "Genius or an Idiot" replace French with know it makes sense... :thumright:
  5. Napoleon will be having a good old laugh at that one...
  6. so at last they admit it!!
  7. I'm curious. If the European Union can be described as an 'empire', then can the United States of America similarly be described as such? It would appear that both organisations consists of individual nations or 'states' which have pooled together under one collective parliament or senate. The USA is just further along down the line from the EU where the individual states have lost much of their national identity, as much as they ever had it.

    I believe the greatest difference between the American states and the European countries is that in Europe the countries have always been free. When North America was first settled by the white people the states that were set up were already dominions of the European countries, or at least they were until they banded together to fight the American War of Independence, and overthrew their oppressors, as well as a great quantity of tea overboard into Boston Harbour.

    So it strikes me that the EU is not the first 'non-imperial empire' on Earth, but merely an old-world parody of new-world government. I also believe that the European Commission have been aiming to create a 'United States of Europe' for some time now, and this is evident in the original draft European Constitution. It has been suggested that the EU has a common currency, and its been years to bring about the Euro. There has also been talk of creating a 'European Reactionary Force' which will be a pan-european military organisation acting in a similar capacity to UN peacekeepers.

    I believe it is unquestionable that the EU is working to become a collective nation, but the real question to be answered is whether we want to be a part of this nation or not?
  8. That concept has been around for awhile now...

    As far back as Winston Churchill...

    Europe has always had the idea that to be equal to the US in terms of "superpower" that a union of some sort was the way to do it.. (less reliance on the US for NATO purposes/and more clout at the UN)
  9. Perhaps he ought to have used the term used to describe the old Soviet Union in Volensky's Nomenklatura: Anatomy of the Soviet Ruling Class: a union of semi-colonies [of Russia]. The book is available in the RUSI Library.

  10. Regardless of the many quotes that will appear regarding the above, can someone tell me when i actually voted for the uk to "voluntarily pool" its soverignty to Europe!!!!
  11. Stolen from a site that i use, perhaps It`s relevent to this thread.

    Published on 13/07/2007

    AS a founding member of the United Kingdom National Defence Association, I have grave concerns.

    My concerns are regarding an EU Maritime Green Paper which may be passed into EU law, and could see the end to training for the Royal Navy.

    It could see the end to the Royal Navy as a fighting force.

    The Green Paper states: “Military activities should be fully incorporated into maritime policy and be subject to full environmental impact assessment and liabilityâ€.

    This will mean a plethora of EU red tape. Brussels intends to diminish all our armed forces and bring about EU armed forces.

    It wants to scrap our coastguard and make it an EU coastguard and replace the red ensign with the EU flag.

    Romano Prodi, former president of the EU commission, stated: “Are we all clear what we’re trying to achieve, no longer a trading block but a world power, capable of asking its citizens what they are prepared to die forâ€.

    I think this country has spilt enough blood on behalf of Europe. Our armed forces and defence of this realm should be our concern.

    UKIP, Furness Branch

  12. We have already got to that stage p o l , I cant believe how apathetic so many peaple are . :whax: :whdat:

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