First of all I'm in Civvy street not forces so bear with me. My son is ETME on his first draught.Iv'e realised recently that as an ETME it could take 6 or 7 years to only get to NVQ2 is that correct ? In civvy street (we have apprentices at work) NVQ3 is reached in 3 to 4 years. Our minimum standard for Mechanical Techs,Mech Fitters,Multi Skilled Techs or whatever title they might have is NVQ3 I believe this is the norm in most civvy jobs of the same trade. Civvy apprentices in their first year are trained in lathe,milling,welding and such like then go on to more advanced stuff quickly. Seems to me that if it takes so long to reach even an NVQ2 in the RN its' pretty worthless and do prospective ETME's know of this when they sign up at the recruitment office.