Escorts Availability.

[janner]

This makes interesting reading.

http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/ongoing-manpower-issues-revealed-by-status-of-royal-navy-surface-escorts/

 

[wave_dodger]

Why, it's not unusual and programmed activity. It's not like a complete surprise that we've put so many hulls into the refit/generation cycle.

All of what they include is planned and costed work, needed to keep modernising the T23 and T45's, if we weren't doing this we'd be slammed for letting ships decline!

Whilst a lot of what the article states isn't especially classified, aggregating all of the Fleet availability states publicly isn't clever.

I honestly don't see what they ever hope to achieve.

 

[janner]

This may not be interesting to people like yourself WD who are in the loop. For those of us that don't have the insights that those still serving have, I think its well worth a read.

 

[guns1969]

Janner, whilst an interesting subject, after clicking on the link, I was horrified to find it was about ships.
I was thinking more of 'Escorts', as in 'Female'. lol.

 

[wave_dodger]

This may not be interesting to people like yourself WD who are in the loop. For those of us that don't have the insights that those still serving have, I think its well worth a read.

Janner, it's still not interesting because it's uninformed and written without context. The authors scrabble about trying to be relevant and 'support' the RN but continually do it in a cack-handed fashion. In this instance they've presented little more than you'd glean from dockyard/harbour tours but have packaged it up neatly in a way that suggests doom and gloom from routine activity.

 

[joel]

Why, it's not unusual and programmed activity. It's not like a complete surprise that we've put so many hulls into the refit/generation cycle.

All of what they include is planned and costed work, needed to keep modernising the T23 and T45's, if we weren't doing this we'd be slammed for letting ships decline!

Whilst a lot of what the article states isn't especially classified, aggregating all of the Fleet availability states publicly isn't clever.

I honestly don't see what they ever hope to achieve.

It's not all bad news. We currently have two vessels in foreign waters.
HMS Monmouth is underway using engine making 11.4 knots in the Persian Gulf and HMS Duncan is now underway using engine making just 6.9 knots off Crete.

 

[Ballistic]

It's not all bad news. We currently have two vessels in foreign waters.
HMS Monmouth is underway using engine making 11.4 knots in the Persian Gulf and HMS Duncan is now underway using engine making just 6.9 knots off Crete.

That sounds pretty normal for a Saturday afternoon at sea when not actively involved in operations.
Probably indulging in flight deck sports, maybe a BBQ afterwards.

 

[joel]

That sounds pretty normal for a Saturday afternoon at sea when not actively involved in operations.
Probably indulging in flight deck sports, maybe a BBQ afterwards.

That was the latest info yesterday Friday.

 

[Ballistic]

That was the latest info yesterday Friday.

Why didn't you make that clear?

It's not all bad news. We currently have two vessels in foreign waters.
HMS Monmouth is underway using engine making 11.4 knots in the Persian Gulf and HMS Duncan is now underway using engine making just 6.9 knots off Crete.

Of course, thinking about it, they could have been having a 'Saturday Sea Routine' on a Friday depending on operational requirements

 

[24681012]

Janner, it's still not interesting because it's uninformed and written without context. The authors scrabble about trying to be relevant and 'support' the RN but continually do it in a cack-handed fashion. In this instance they've presented little more than you'd glean from dockyard/harbour tours but have packaged it up neatly in a way that suggests doom and gloom from routine activity.

As an outsider, it is pretty bad publicity, it makes the RN sound chaotic and staffed by unhappy personnel. I'm sure a lot of parents and would be recruits read the forum to get a feel for an organisation and if that is what the organisation is like, fair enough, but if it is not .... It's potentially damaging.

 

[joel]

Janner, whilst an interesting subject, after clicking on the link, I was horrified to find it was about ships.
I was thinking more of 'Escorts', as in 'Female'. lol.

Heres one for you to be going on with,


1 min walk from Bond Street Station. I am Alex - 25 yo top lad offering a nice companionship for a limited time in your city!

Body of a fitness model, smart dressed, easy going and well sophisticated.

Athletic, tattooed and tanned.

Better looking in person!

Dick size: 8"
Weight: 82 kg
Height: 177 cm
Feet size: 10.5

I am very open minded and chilled person with passion for every new experience - 100% top and dominant stud!

Sports and leather outfits + lots of fetishes gear and toys for every taste.

Mod edit: you're in Current Affairs Popeye, behave.

 

[guns1969]

Heres one for you to be going on with,


1 min walk from Bond Street Station. I am Alex - 25 yo top lad offering a nice companionship for a limited time in your city!

Body of a fitness model, smart dressed, easy going and well sophisticated.

Athletic, tattooed and tanned.

Better looking in person!

Dick size: 8"
Weight: 82 kg
Height: 177 cm
Feet size: 10.5

I am very open minded and chilled person with passion for every new experience - 100% top and dominant stud!

Sports and leather outfits + lots of fetishes gear and toys for every taste.

Get a fuckin life, and take my above reply with a touch of humour, like almost any other person who has a working brain cell has.

 

[FunkyJunky]

Janner, it's still not interesting because it's uninformed and written without context. The authors scrabble about trying to be relevant and 'support' the RN but continually do it in a cack-handed fashion. In this instance they've presented little more than you'd glean from dockyard/harbour tours but have packaged it up neatly in a way that suggests doom and gloom from routine activity.

I think it provides a stark snapshot of how limited on numbers we are in both ships/subs and more scarily, the people to man them

no amount of context will hide the reality that we have a very small number of units out there on operations

 

[Seadog]

underway using engine making 11.4 knots

Not oars or sails then?

 

[wave_dodger]

I think it provides a stark snapshot of how limited on numbers we are in both ships/subs and more scarily, the people to man them

no amount of context will hide the reality that we have a very small number of units out there on operations

That article doesn't portray that. It's exactly as you say, a snapshot, but without context.

"The very small number" you state isn't that small when you look at what we actually are doing.

The manning peace has been done to death. We all know the realities and we all know the Navy is working to address it.

The issue I have with"save the royal navy/give me something to do in my retirement" is that they lack the real context and knowledge and often present a more damaging picture than is warranted, as in this instance.

 

[joel]

Get a fuckin life, and take my above reply with a touch of humour, like almost any other person who has a working brain cell has.

That was supposed to be amusing. I'm sorry it was lost on you. It was, after all, Brown Hatters Day

MOD EDIT: Take time out pal, you're clearly slow on the uptake.

 

[wave_dodger]

That was supposed to be amusing. I'm sorry it was lost on you. It was, after all, Brown Hatters Day

Really? Grow up, it's 2017 not 1817.

 

[joel]

Really? Grow up, it's 2017 not 1817.

And the difference being?

 

[wave_dodger]

And the difference being?

People with abhorrent and repugnant discriminatory views may have been tolerated then, they're not now!

 

[joel]

People with abhorrent and repugnant discriminatory views may have been tolerated then, they're not now!

By whom?