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Enviable position?

kensall

Newbie
Hello all,

First time poster looking for a little advice:

I recently took the RT, with the aim of going for Marine Engineer. However, in the feedback the chief suggested that my score combined with my decent A-levels might make marine engineer a mundane choice that I would find boring. He sent me away to consider going for officer selection, or failing that changing my choice of trade to Marine Engineering Submariner or Air Engineering Technician.

Now I'm 22 and no genius, but I don't want to ignore his advise and curse myself in a couple of years time. Is it a 'boring' choice? I've got nothing against Submariner, except I hear that travel can be somewhat limited? Not sure if I'd be that suited to officer either.
Basically I'm after something with a bit of variety and challenge with the chance to get a fair amount of sea time and travel in.

Sorry about the long post, any help would be apprieciated!
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
When all's said & done it's your choice, but far rather you are aware of the range of jobs available from the outset. Only you know which job appeals the most.

Best of luck.
 
There is no easy answer to what branch you should join, only you can make the decision on what is right for you.

ET(ME) - Initially you will be doing mainly running machinery rounds and working towards completing your initial task book. However, with promotion you will get more chances to do more exciting things.

ET(ME)(SM) - Will intially do the same sort of stuff, but you could eventually get the qualification for the nuclear industry, as all submarines are nuclear powered. Also the money is a lot better.

AET - Initially your training will be the longest, but you will specialise in one type of airframe (Fixed wing/Helicopter).

When we used to employ Artificers (Or old technicians) the best were selected to go Air.

You are right in what you say that you will get more travel on surface ships vice Submarines. AET's are spending alot of time away from the UK, but can be sent to the warm sandy places.

All of the jobs have something to offer.

If you are going to stay in the navy long-term then direct entry as an officer is certainly the best option. However, it will depend on your qualifications as to which specialisation would intially be open to you. You should also be aware that around about 30% of our officers come through from the ranks.

I hope this gives you some answers to some of your questions.

Regards

Supermario

:nemo:
 

slim

War Hero
I have absolutely no advice to give, but would like to comment that I do like Kensalls use of the English language. If his spoken English is of the same standard he should do well. :thumright:
 

tiddlyoggy

War Hero
Book Reviewer
kensall said:
However, in the feedback the chief suggested that my score combined with my decent A-levels might make marine engineer a mundane choice that I would find boring.

Shipmate, there were a couple of lads who joined up with me as an MEA who had degrees, as well as MANY others with A-levels. To say that having A-levels would make you bored in this career choice is rather a large assumption to make about an individual. Also, I really don't see how going SM would be more fulfilling. I may sound cynical, but maybe the AFCO are trying to fill their quota for submariners.
 

The_Jimmy

War Hero
tiddlyoggy wrote:
I may sound cynical, but maybe the AFCO are trying to fill their quota for submariners.

Nah, recruiters dont do that...
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
tiddlyoggy said:
...I may sound cynical, but maybe the AFCO are trying to fill their quota for submariners.

Hmmn does sound a little cynical, to be honest. :crybaby:

Just to allay fears and assumptions, AFCOs are judged on numbers joining that stay joined once trained, measured against training wastage, rather than simply filling training places in the first instance- hence my suggestion that it's the individual's choice regardless.

There is no incentive from an AFCO perspective to recruit people who PVR in the first 6 months & there are no cash incentives to hammer square pegs into round holes, rest assured. :thumright:
 

YouAreHavingALaugh

Lantern Swinger
Ninja_Stoker said:
tiddlyoggy said:
...I may sound cynical, but maybe the AFCO are trying to fill their quota for submariners.

Hmmn does sound a little cynical, to be honest. :crybaby:

Just to allay fears and assumptions, AFCOs are judged on numbers joining that stay joined once trained, measured against training wastage, rather than simply filling training places in the first instance- hence my suggestion that it's the individual's choice regardless.

There is no incentive from an AFCO perspective to recruit people who PVR in the first 6 months & there are no cash incentives to hammer square pegs into round holes, rest assured. :thumright:

Just co-incedence that that there is a shortage of MESM ET and AET but not MEGS ET!!!
 
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Deleted 7

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I can't really comment on this job aspect but have a skeg around the forums on RR, they may give you a wider look at what goes on.

Yes, Submariner can sound daunting at times but I know a good few lads that think it is worth it but then again I know a few WAFU's that love their job. It's up to you, if the option is there and waiting then why not go with your instinct? If it makes it harder for you to decide, just think of what you can do in civvy street when you eventually leave..............my cousin did that and has a great career with helo's and building them (great oay too).

Same can be said with other trades, just take it all in and go with what you feel is right.

Good luck xx
 

dhoby

Midshipman
My advice is dont join as a submariner, I joined in 79 and was drafted to boats in 83. I can honestly say that my time in general service was the best and in my experience the only people that think the submarine service is better are those that have never been general service. My branch was what is now called WE T, I ended up on a polaris boat working in the missile compartment-pure boredom!
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
YouAreHavingALaugh said:
Ninja_Stoker said:
tiddlyoggy said:
...I may sound cynical, but maybe the AFCO are trying to fill their quota for submariners.

Hmmn does sound a little cynical, to be honest. :crybaby:

Just to allay fears and assumptions, AFCOs are judged on numbers joining that stay joined once trained, measured against training wastage, rather than simply filling training places in the first instance- hence my suggestion that it's the individual's choice regardless.

There is no incentive from an AFCO perspective to recruit people who PVR in the first 6 months & there are no cash incentives to hammer square pegs into round holes, rest assured. :thumright:

Just co-incedence that that there is a shortage of MESM ET and AET but not MEGS ET!!!

There's a shortage of Chefs, Stewards, Marines, CIS's, Logs Pers and most submariner trades too, but technical trades with shorter waiting times than ET(ME) are indeed ET(MESM) & AET. Again it's up to the individual, but if I had scored high enough in 1981 I'd have chosen AEM over MEM(M).

Ironically there are AETs & submariners driving Jackals in Afghanistan for the Royal Marines at the moment, together with ET(ME)'s trained as VM's - figure that one out.
 

wurz

Lantern Swinger
supermario said:
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When we used to employ Artificers (Or old technicians) the best were selected to go Air.

Complete bollox! I had a huge debate with an old PSO at Fisgard who wanted me to go to Daedalus instead of C'wood and I was a complete scrote of an apprentice. It was just harder to go wafu because they took so few when compared to WE's and especially ME's with about 2/3 of the entry going to Cally.

For the OP it is up to you but I'd say your best off going in the bunhouse as an engineering officer if that is an option and try to avoid submarines.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
wurz said:
supermario said:
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When we used to employ Artificers (Or old technicians) the best were selected to go Air.

Complete bollox! I had a huge debate with an old PSO at Fisgard who wanted me to go to Daedalus instead of C'wood and I was a complete scrote of an apprentice. It was just harder to go wafu because they took so few when compared to WE's and especially ME's with about 2/3 of the entry going to Cally.

For the OP it is up to you but I'd say your best off going in the bunhouse as an engineering officer if that is an option and try to avoid submarines.

Generally speaking AEA was the most sought after specialisation because there were fewer jobs & it was therefore usually oversubscribed.

If they didn't select the best, as suggested by wurz, perhaps they just selected the scrotes instead although possibly fellow artificers of the Air pursuasion would disagree with that assertion.
 

wurz

Lantern Swinger
Ninja_Stoker said:
wurz said:
supermario said:
T
When we used to employ Artificers (Or old technicians) the best were selected to go Air.

Complete bollox! I had a huge debate with an old PSO at Fisgard who wanted me to go to Daedalus instead of C'wood and I was a complete scrote of an apprentice. It was just harder to go wafu because they took so few when compared to WE's and especially ME's with about 2/3 of the entry going to Cally.

For the OP it is up to you but I'd say your best off going in the bunhouse as an engineering officer if that is an option and try to avoid submarines.

Generally speaking AEA was the most sought after specialisation because there were fewer jobs & it was therefore usually oversubscribed.

If they didn't select the best, as suggested by wurz, perhaps they just selected the scrotes instead although possibly fellow artificers of the Air pursuasion would disagree with that assertion.

Sorry Ninja but I think you are wrong, numerically more people wanted to be ME or WE so AE was not the most sought after. As you say they did take less though so it was usually oversubscribed and clanking was undersubscribed and there was many a unhappy apprentice who ended up going off to Cally against their wishes.

Your post would suggest that the cream through the gates went wafu with the rest getting farmed off to WE and ME, this was not the case.
My highlighting that I was a scrote as an apprentice was just to highlight that wafu's didn't just take the best and was not meant in any way to infer this. Most people end up very different to the character they were after 6 months in the mob from school after a couple more years.
 
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