Hi all, I'm currently in the process of submitting an application for Warfare Officer. Up until now, all the information I have received (including the official careers guide on the the RN website) indicate that as a graduate who is over 20, I will automatically join as a sub-lieutenant. However, other information received more recently indicates that I will finish training with the same rank as if I had joined straight from school at 17. This is quite a serious consideration for me. Firstly I don't want to write off the last few years off of my life as a complete waste. Secondly, I would like some degree of parity in rank with those in my general age group. Thirdly, I have financial considerations that a 17 year old simply wouldn't have (loans, mortgage, etc). My question is firstly, is this all true? If so, is there any room for negotiation (I do have very strong academic results from very world leading institutions)? And finally, if not, then how do the RN intend to attract graduates when they completely disregard their additional qualifications and life skills. This isn't typical graduate arrogance. I don't think I'm any better than anyone else just because I have a degree. But in a society where going to university has almost become the norm, certainly amongst the commissioned ranks, why would the Armed Forces make no effort to attract recruits who are likely to be more balanced, better educated and more driven?