ENGINEERS: Financial Retention Incentive

#81
surely though if he relinquished he would then become a subsatntive CPO who is not seleceted for OR8 so is then able to apply. i think the statement in the Din applies for CPOs who have already selected for and accepeted promotion. What do you think??
 
#82
That would be a call for his branch manager, there are caveats in a lot of the eligibility requirements that say branch and career managers can give the FRI to people outside the criteria, for example the medcat one can be wavered if they are filling an essential billet that would otherwise be gapped


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#85
That would be a call for his branch manager, there are caveats in a lot of the eligibility requirements that say branch and career managers can give the FRI to people outside the criteria, for example the medcat one can be wavered if they are filling an essential billet that would otherwise be gapped


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Word is that they (wo2wes) will not be given the option to revert to cpo. They are very unhappy about this as they feel they have been stitched up for being successful - get promoted have a pay cut is the message here. Quite how they are supposed to mangage cpos who get 8000 a year more than them for the next 3 years is a bitter pill to swallow when they have got to compete against the same cpos for promotion going forward. Still at least they will have a nice parchment to stick on thier wall at home, or maybe in the bin for what its worth.
 
#86
Word is that they (wo2wes) will not be given the option to revert to cpo. They are very unhappy about this as they feel they have been stitched up for being successful - get promoted have a pay cut is the message here. Quite how they are supposed to mangage cpos who get 8000 a year more than them for the next 3 years is a bitter pill to swallow when they have got to compete against the same cpos for promotion going forward. Still at least they will have a nice parchment to stick on thier wall at home, or maybe in the bin for what its worth.
And a Peugot badge on their cuff, white ovies and lesser mortals calling them Sir ;)
 

cjg375

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#92
Another question. Will this get paid in with your wages or just randomly through the month.

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In your wages. Stand by for annoyance when you see tax and NI that month!


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#93
Sun: "All Hands On Cheque - After Cuts, Navy's £24k Stay-On Deals"

"Ministers who sacked hundreds of Royal Navy engineers are now offering up to £24,000 in bonuses - to KEEP their comrades.

The golden handcuffs deal is being offered to 1,200 senior NCO specialists in a bid to stop a massive talent drain.

It has sparked questions on the wisdom of serious cuts enforced on the Senior Service, with a source saying: "It's the economics of the madhouse".

Navy engineers keep ships, helicopters and weapons in working order.

But admirals fear so many are leaving it will no longer be possible to keep the full fleet at sea. Earlier this month The Sun reported on fears that there are already too few ships left.

Four years ago 500 engineers were laid off in plans to shrink the Navy to its smallest in centuries.

Now £29 million of taxpayers' cash has been set aside to stop more quitting. The senior NCOs get the lump sums if they agree to serve another three years.

Under plans submitted by defence officials to the Armed Forces Pay Review Board, petty officers - who earn £30,446 - £37,462 - scoop £21,000.

The rank above them - chief petty officers earning £33,702 - £43,876 - will be given £24,000.

A Navy source said: "Morale is low and they are having to resort to huge bribes. Taxpayers should be furious".

Shadow Defence Secretary Vernon Coaker said botched defence cuts had led to a "dangerous capability gap and caused low morale".

But the MoD said: "We have always had financial retention incentives. They are not used in response to redundancy".
 
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#94
"The Sun Says.

Cut The Cuts

It didn't take a telescope to see this coming.

Our story about Royal Navy chiefs having to offer massive bribes to keep engineers is shocking in its scale - but not a huge surprise.

The persistent running down of the Armed Forces through huge cuts has been a cause for concern for some time. Last month, General Sir Richard Shirreff - an outgoing Nato chief - warned the the Navy was being "hollowed out".

Our once proud service was even unable to take part in some Nato operations, he said.

Defence Minister Philip Hammond said such warnings were "nonsense".

And there is the problem.

On the one hand we have experienced men like General Shirreff explaining that we are getting dangerously close to being unable to protect ourselves.

On the other we find a cocky Westminster elite who sneer at anything they don't like. Rather than address the key problems, they wave them away.

None of this does any good for the men and women on the front line, like a young squaddie in Afghanistan having to buy bits of his own kit. Or other youngsters cast out after years of service with little opportunity to retrain for a new career.

Nobody wants to wage war. But if we're asking brave servicemen and women to lay their lives on the line for us, we should address the scale of these cuts now and give them a fighting chance."
 

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#95
If The Sun is correct - and that would be an exclusive in itself - and the reason for these financial incentives (not news, by the way) is due to poor morale, then the proof of the pudding will be if swathes of Royal Navy engineers accept them and continue to serve or they have the power of their own conviction and submit their notice and walk, working for companies that value them and offer them a more stable future.
 
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cjg375

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#96
If The sun is correct - and that would be an exclusive in itself - and the reason for these financial incentives (not news, by the way) is due to poor morale, then the proof of the pudding will be if swathes of Royal Navy engineers accept them and continue to serve or they have the poor of their convictions and submit their notice and walk, working for companies that values them and gives them a future.
I wouldn't say it's the only reason but it's probably a pretty big one. The usual thing that always happens with FRIs will happen. Those who never intended leaving will profit, some who were maybe considering it might stay for the cash and those who definitely want to leave will walk cos '7 or 8 grand a year before tax isn't enough'. It will slow the rot until other things cut in and then we'll see. The next big events are people realising the effect of the new pension on them and the New Employment Model, particularly the pay change. A similar situation to Pay2000 could be catastrophic.


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cjg375

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#97
FRIs might not be news but I think the sheer number of them recently is remarkable. They've always been used in pinch points but not in such great numbers I don't think.


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#98
I don't know if you have left or about to, cjg375, but the grass is not necessarily greener outside. I'm not suggesting that life in a blue one is a doddle right now, but many still serving have to stop being myopic and take a serious and mature look at their reasons for leaving. The pros do not always outweigh the cons.
 

babygravy

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#99
I agree that a fair amount of matelots taking up his offer were in for the long haul anyway, and the pissed off engineers would leave anyway.

Three years isn't an awful long time though, are they going to keep dropping cash incentives every 3 years?

They really are going to have to shoot for the moon with this Faraday nonscence...
 

cjg375

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I don't know if you have left or about to, cjg375, but the grass is not necessarily greener outside. I'm not suggesting that life in a blue one is a doddle right now, but many still serving have to stop being myopic and take a serious and mature look at their reasons for leaving. The pros do not always outweigh the cons.
Nope to both. I took an earlier FRI cos I was determined to stay til pension and only had to commit to a short extension to get it. I don't think everyone thinks the world is rosy out in civvy street. It's just the world in the service, especially for technical trades who by definition are in sea jobs a fair amount, is utterly terrible. I think, while some are going out thinking the world loves them and owes them a living, most are simply willing to take the chance of it being just a bit better and having a better life. At the mo for many specialisms you get virtually no life away from the job.

Also, for many, the changes made recently have removed incentives to stay in. The pension that guys who have done 10-12 years just now would get on completing their 22 is a joke so they think they might as well head out now with their foundation degree and 10 grand and see how it goes. At every turn there are reasons to leave, quibbling about travel expenses, absolutely no fun in deployments any more, maintenance periods during leave periods, programmes that are crammed to bursting point with zero flex time, no spares, poor support, I could go on and on. When all added up the reasons to leave just overwhelm the concerns over going. It's as if the navy gave up trying to retain people for quite a while and have only just woken up to the fact that they aren't the almighty employer of choice for experienced people anymore.

We can only hope things improve in the medium term but the jury is still out on it.


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