Engineering Disciplines

Discussion in 'Joining Up - Royal Navy Recruiting' started by mike007, Oct 30, 2007.

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  1. Hey guys again

    I am currently seeking sponsorship from the DTUS scheme to become an Engineering Officer as one or two may have already read.

    My current situation is:

    I am 21, I am a qualified Industrial Electrician, ONC and C&G qualifications in electrical installation and building services Engineering.

    I am going to University in Sep 2008 to study ElectroMechanical Engineering. I am fully aware my choice of branch is what i think i would suite, but i would appreciate if current matelots could show there opinion on which branch Air, Marine, Weapon probably associates itself with the qualifications and experience i already have.

    PS: My building services Engineering qualification had the following asepects involved:
    Air conditioning
    Power etc,

    i am however electrically bias over mechanical by a long shot.

    Any suggestions much appreciated.
  2. Others may correct me on this, but the exact specialisation of your Engineering Degree has no bearing on your suitability as either an AEO, WEO or MEO. None of these jobs involves hands on engineering. I just think the fact that your degree is engineering based is sufficient.
  3. Mike with your qualifications I would choose to get into renewable energy on a commercial or domestic level, it is a rapidly expanding market , the RN however is shrinking/

    Engineering wise you best seem suited to Marine engineering officer, however you will be driving a desk and be a interface very little hands on stuff.
    Personnaly I would choose to be a WAFU cause I am one for a little bit longer only
  4. At the end of the day, I have wanted to join the RN since i was a kid, i joined as a WAFU when i was 17 but PVR'd because i wanted to go University, I should of really thought about that before i signed up in first place. As regard to the Navy shrinking its like anything. Civvy companies getting rid of jobs due to robots being installed, Polish workforce on construction sites taking peoples jobs. In my opinion wherever you go there will be a downside.

    I would much prefer to serve a shrinking Royal Navy & Queen, than have a boring civvy life. It doesnt matter what engineering dicipline i go into it will involve paper and a desk.

  5. Marine Engineering definitely.

    Propulsion plants have been moving towards Electrical Propulsion for years, with HV Generation and Propulsion now the norm. Your experience and prior training would suit you very well in an M.E environment.
    Be advised though, your job as an Officer will not involve YOU getting to strip down, repair and rebuild machinery. That is the job of those in the BLUE overalls. Whichever career path you choose, you will be primarily a manager and NOT a maintainer, as I am sure you are already aware :)
  6. Too be honest mate, but are you aware if you join as an ET (ME)(WE)(AE),on reaching Petty Officer you will be awarded an FD ENG, which equates to 240 points towards the 360 required for a BSC.
    So joining up as a lad vs going to Uni.
    1. You get paid well for it.
    2. You literally see parts of the world you wouldnt otherwise, with some salubrious colleagues that you just wouldnt meet in a wardroom.
    3. You get the 'hands on' and actual satisfaction of proper engineering, which you wouldnt get as an engineering officer.

    1. Due to your expirence the first 3 yrs willl seem like you are treading water.

    Its an option mate and one I stongly recommend, as someone who has done this and currently studying for my Honours which the navy has kindly given me 2 grand for.
    Plus at any opportunity along this path is the option to go Officer.
  7. Yes thanks guys.

    Its hard coming to terms with being a Stoker Officer though lol, after all my Navy life started as a WAFU and although i was in the Service for a shake of a cats whisker i still know the "banter" between both lol.

    A good point was made Lamri, about the propultion systems becoming electrical. Thanks again guys
  8. I went down that road before. I was promised the earth by my AFCO, said i would be put onto tiffs course they made sure of it. I got to Sultan and they said not a chance for tiffs course till at least i got to Leading hand. If i would of been put on that tiffs course i might well be a PO AEA now...but i

    I cant blame my AFCO because i took a risk, i should of re-done my RT score which i admitidly performed poorly at.

    At end of the day if i stayed in civvy street i would be in an office anyway as an electrical designer, I have served my time as an apprentice doing the real engineering. To me the real engineering is in the maths. Sounds sad and boring to some but from an idea on paper to attaining a real product interests me.

    What do you think, or am i talking out my back end?
  9. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    If you underscored for Artificer at the AFCO, you would have been told there was, at that time, further opportunity to become an Artificer later in your career, subject to you being recommended & having proven yourself a viable potential candidate, despite your earlier failings.

    I strongly dispute the fact that anybody "promised" anything of the sort with regard your certainty of becoming an Artificer. Interestingly you will have to pass the same recruiting test to become an Officer, despite your envisaged engineering degree.

    You left the RN as an AEM 4 years ago & start a 3 year engineering degree in September(?) 2008. By my reckoning, your submitting your PVR to gain your qualifications in 8 years, is not quicker than you could've done within the RN, plus the fact you would've earned well in excess of £200 000 wages, had you stayed in the service & applied to become an officer from within. (Assuming you had the pre-requiite 5 GCSE's)

    Good luck Mike, let's hope you aren't promised anything this time around.
  10. Alas there is no Tifs course, Tif's course is now the Petty Officers course which lasts for approx 18 months, hence in your career as an ET you will get your time as a Tif.
    As for maths, well does fourier fast transform and laplace rock your boat mate, because that is what you do.
    But I am a WE, and high level maths is applicable in my job, especially with pointing radars. ME's not so much, doesnt take much mathematics to diagnose a snag on a gas turbine, just expirience and sound engineering knowledge.
  11. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    ET(ME) & ET(WE) currently have exactly the same Recruiting Test Score requirements, in all aspects, including mathematics.
  12. Yes ninja I know and I am not dissing the MEs or woos, Im just saying I can find an appplication in my job for higher maths which I use every day, which I dont believe is the case among the other engineering disciplines, but I probably will be corrected.
  13. I am industrial electrician with similar qualifications as you mike, one of my reasons for joining the navy is as angry_mac put it, if you reach PO you will have a foundation degree. I am joing as WE, I was an Electrical/Instrumentation Maintenance apprentice, thinking about it now I should probably of joined as ME because of the electrical generation/distribution side of things, but being a geek I have an interest in electronics, so WE is better for me.

    I think the best job in the navy that would suit someone in our trade is ET(ME)SM. The goverment is seriously going to have to invest in the Nuclear Power Industry in the very short future. I shall imagine that being a qualified Nuclear Power Plant Technician on a submarine, will put you in a very good postion to gain employment with the Nuclear Energy Providers, when you leave the Navy.

    I dont fancy submarines though, saying that Ive never experienced one.

    Best of luck mate,
  14. Ninja i get the feeling that you are quite scepticle of my comment about becoming a tiff.

    I was told i would get on the course in a relatively short time, I was then told it wouldnt be until i was around 24 years of age ( on average) why the need to make such things up. Regarding sitting the RT again, I will vastly improve, and if I dont i will gladly eat humble pie.

    I left the Navy and became an Electrical apprentice, aswell as studying for my ONC, and C&G Electrical qualifications. I also managed to earn around 100k for that four years, so i would not say it was a waste.

    I understand your position as i believe you work at an AFCO, and you may be dismissive of some of my comments. I also worked at my local AFCO for 8 weeks awaiting professional training, and it frankly opened my eyes.

    Please do not take my comments as the norm but this was my experience at the time. I wish to study a degree because it is a personal goal i have set my sights on. I do not wish for you gentlemen to think that i left because i was to good to wait, it was simply because at the time i had been given my options and i made a choice, bearing in mind i was 17 and didnt know my ass from my elbow.
  15. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Mac, I can't dispute your assertion, nor would I wish to.

    To be honest it's over 4 years since I was involved in the mechanical world & the only maths I undertook day-to-day was how many cubic metres of fuel we had, how many we'd used & how much we needed if the skipper chose to go water-skiing (again). Hardly higher level maths, but sufficient to confidently dispute the bar managers' guestimate during the monthly bar-bill haggle![​IMG]
  16. thanks for your comments mate, much appreciated.
  17. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Mike, I have no axe to grind, merely wish to state, for those that may follow-on behind you that sometimes it's worth the wait to achieve your goal.

    The only thing I'd advise you to consider is that if you earned over £25k pa (on average) as an electrical apprentice, then you are potentially going to incur debt if you intend going through Uni as a Bursar on the DTUS scheme. Your starting wage as a graduate in 4 years time in the Royal Navy, at todays' rates, is projected to be less initially than you earned as a civilian electrician.

    In short: Can you afford to go to Uni, then 4 years from now, earn less at the end of it?
  18. I have already took this into consideration and well pointed out.

    Basically any credit card etc unnecessary expenditure i have made is to be paid off by the time i get to university, and sacrifices in spending will have to prevail.

    Its the old routine of swings and roundabouts. I understand that i will start off on a lower wage but it will be the career i wished to do. My ethos is most of your life until 60 is working so you must enjoy it, and money isnt everything, although it helps.

    Regards Mike
  19. lol ninja, i am also a bar manager and lo and behold thats more difficult than working in the 's' dimension (yes in maths anything is possible).
    TBH mike looking at your curent quals i really do believe your better option is to join as an ET. You will get your degree but not incur the student debt. But good luck in what you do mate.
  20. i will definatly investigate your suggestions ninja and angry_mac, as this is the sort of feedback i wanted.

    I am aware it has all changed now, i entered service just before ETs came into existance, although there was still very little information about it at the time, and even debatable wether it would happen. As far as i was concerned i would of been an AEM till my twenty's and then the opportunity may of arised.

    My decision to leave may not of been the right one, but I can look back and still maintain it has not been a waste.

    Thanks again for your comments

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