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Early Day Motion: Post-service Housing

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Lantern Swinger
Now we have other social groups complaining about immigration and our social housing stock. This will place armed forces injured and service leavers right at the bottom of the food chain. Please email your MPs asking for an update to the amendments to the Homelessness Legislation and if military personnel will be looked after?

I believe we require to keep our voices in their [MPs] ears and badger them to support the needs of all military personnel and their families. So lets stand together and make some changes.


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EDM 288 will finish next week after the Queens speech. It will be getting re-introduced for the following years. I will update the site on its new EDM number and what it states. We will all have to start from the begining again, so please be ready to email your MPs asking them for their support on the new EDM.

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The following was from my MPs office. As you can see the new EDM is being drawn up at present and will be out very soon. I will place it on here when it's made public.


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Hitback,

Yes she does intend to table a revised version of the EDM - and will do so soon - we are still working on the text, so that we can maximise the number of MPs who will sign up to it.

As soon as the final text is confirmed, you will be the 1st to know.

Hope you are well.

Any questions then please do not hesitate to get in contact with me.

Regards

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This is an update on the Homelessness Legislation. I have been informed via an email from the AFF, that the legislation will not be amended in the near future.

I believe the Government will hold onto this amendment until the next general election. The amendment is a leverage tool towards more votes in the future from forces personnel and their families!


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This is the latest update I've had from the HoC. I hope the news they bring is good news.

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Hi hitback,

I hope you are well.

I just wanted to let you know that I hope we will have something to send to you very soon!

Unfortunately, it took a while, as things do in politics, but I hope we will have something constructive that you might find reflects some of the things we spoke about.

I will send you a copy as soon as it is ready.

All the best,



xxxxxxx



xxxxx xxxxxx

Researcher to Nick Harvey MP

Lib Dem Shadow Defence Secretary
 

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I got the following email today, I have removed one area as I believe it to protect the individuals identity. The PDF I got with this email is 35 pages long and I have no idea on how to place a link on here. I will forward the email onto the BAFF and RBL.

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Hi Hitback,

Please see attached the paper we have written that, I hope, outlines quite a comprehensive position on welfare from the Liberal Democrats. I know it cannot include everything, but hope it provides a constructive approach to the issues we feel urgently need addressing.


We have also released it to the press, hence why I was unable to send it until today. xxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxx but there will be a debate in the House on Wednesday on the military covenant. The press release is also below.

I would be interested to know your response. We will be continuing to press these issues in both Houses.


Thank you again for all your help,


All the best,



XXXXXxx


Liberal Democrat Shadow Defence Secretary and North Devon MP Nick Harvey today [Monday] called on the Government to renew the Military Covenant as the Liberal Democrats launch ‘Our Nation’s Duty’, an action plan for improving the welfare of our Armed Forces.


Our Nation’s Duty calls for:


A Cross-Party Military Covenant Committee to be charged with conducting an annual review of the state of the military covenant and provide credible recommendations drawing on the expertise and experience of its members.
An assurance from all parties that the Armed Forces will not intervene without the guarantee that they will have the necessary resources, manpower and equipment that ensures our personnel are secure in the commitment
A written military covenant for all three services which gives real entitlements and holds the government to account on these and a new strategic defence review which puts personnel issues at its centre
Ring-fenced budget on welfare and accommodation within the Defence Budget
More special military-only wards to help injured personnel to recover and also ease transition to civilian life
Appropriate medical care and counselling for troops returning from service
All service accommodation to be upgraded as quickly as possible and assessed at the highest standard according to the Army’s Standard for Conditions


Commenting Nick Harvey MP said:


“It should not be for our Armed Forces to have to lobby the Government for change. We have a duty of care to all our servicemen and women who show bravery and courage in adversity and risk the ultimate sacrifice for their country.


So far they have been failed by successive Governments who have not met their obligations and are to blame for poor quality accommodation, inadequate care, and critical overstretch.


In our paper we propose positive efforts to honour the covenant and rectify these shortfalls.


Surely this is the least our Forces deserve.â€


Notes to Editors:

The Liberal Democrats will also be forcing a debate in the House of Commons on Wednesday.
 

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Lantern Swinger
The following link is on the BAFF site. It explains the Housing issue in detail and shows the support they have given to this issue. A big thank you for all their support on this campaign. Members of this site as well as other sites have shown great support for this campaign. I hope you will be willing to show as much support for the other campaign. Medical Discharge / War Pension Ideas.

Once again thank you.

Regards

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Clause 270 - Armed forces: homelessness and allocation of housing

775. Clause 270 amends section 199 of the Housing Act 1996, which sets out the circumstances when a person has a local connection with the district of a local housing authority. Housing authorities may take account of whether a person has a local connection with their district when considering the person's priority for an allocation of housing under Part 6 of the 1996 Act or when making inquiries about whether the person is homeless and owed a duty for the purposes of Part 7 of the 1996 Act. The effect of the amendment is that a person in the armed forces will now be able to establish a local connection with a district through residence of choice or employment there, in the same way as a civilian.

http://www.baff.org.uk/baff-social-housing-campaign.htm
 
The Defence PUSS (Twigg) was asked more about this topic...

Commons Hansard: 21 Jan 08, Cols.1189-1191

Extract said:
The Secretary of State was asked—

Ex-service Personnel (Housing)

Laura Moffatt (Crawley) (Lab): What progress is being made on enabling former ex-service personnel to demonstrate a local connection when applying for council housing.

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Defence (Derek Twigg): [...] On 28 December, my right hon. Friend the Minister for Housing announced that we are taking action, as part of the Housing and Regeneration Bill laid before the House, to ensure that service personnel are treated fairly when applying to councils for social housing or homelessness assistance. We are amending the law so that service personnel will acquire a connection with the area in which they are stationed or living, which will put them on an equal footing with their civilian counterparts. [...]
 

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Thingy, thank you for this entry. I have placed a copy of the link on other websites running this thread. I would have to say that Mr Twigg must be looking in another direction if he believes that most Local Authorities give priority to service leavers. It's about time we got a veterans ministers that understood whats going on!

Regards

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Thingy, thank you for this entry. I have placed a copy of the link on other websites running this thread. I would have to say that Mr Twigg must be looking in another direction if he believes that most Local Authorities give priority to service leavers. It's about time we got a veterans ministers that understood whats going on!

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Thanks Hitback. Here's some additional infromation which may be of interest:

http://www.communities.gov.uk/housing/strategiesandreviews/housingandregenerationbill/

Clause 270 of the Bill is the one that should concern service personnel:

Clause 270 - Armed forces: homelessness and allocation of housing

Explanatory Memorandum to the Bill said:
Clause 270 amends section 199 of the Housing Act 1996, which sets out the circumstances when a person has a local connection with the district of a local housing authority. Housing authorities may take account of whether a person has a local connection with their district when considering the person's priority for an allocation of housing under Part 6 of the 1996 Act or when making inquiries about whether the person is homeless and owed a duty for the purposes of Part 7 of the 1996 Act. The effect of the amendment is that a person in the armed forces will now be able to establish a local connection with a district through residence of choice or employment there, in the same way as a civilian.

source: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmbills/008/en/08008x-j.htm#index_link_260

This is the actual clause in the Bill itself, with additional links (blue):

Housing and Regeneration Bill
Part 3 — Other provisions
Chapter 3 — Housing finance and other provisions

Homelessness and allocation of housing

Clause 270 Armed forces: homelessness and allocation of housing


In section 199 of the Housing Act 1996 (c. 52) (local connection test for
homelessness and housing allocation purposes: different treatment of armed forces) omit—

5(a) subsection (2),

(b) in subsection (3), paragraph (a) and the “or†following it,

(c) subsection (4), and

(d) in subsection (5), the word “otherâ€.

source: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmbills/008/08008.113-116.html
 

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Thanks again Thingy, as I'm sure you understand there are many xcross references to this bill. The area 270 has been covered by the BAFF legal team and has been registered.

Once again thank you for these links.

Regards

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I have sent the story of how the campaign started to some National Papers and the support given by web sites and other organisations. I believe they will be looking into this nearer the amendment date.

Once again a big thank you to the site and it's members for their support.

Regards

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I have placed the following on another secure army site.

I'm sure you will all understand the need to get these questions answered!

To that end I have sent these questions to some MPs' and await their reply



I do believe the JSHAO requires to get more power to assist service leavers when they are about to depart from the forces. But thats another area of debate.

My reason for asking about Annington homes and the Housing Mag is simple; The present discount being offered to service personnel is disgraceful, it's no different to what civilians are offered. And the priority to service leavers has been forgotten about!

The Government has made well OVER 100million in the profit shared agreement with Annington Homes. Why is the JSHAO not asking about better provisions for service leavers? I wouls ask the same of the AFF, and I have in the past.

Taken Before Defence Committee. The Work of Defence Estates Tuesday 15 May 2007.


Q23 Mr Holloway: I think that is very much the point that Mr Jenkins raises. Soldiers that I served with who have now done their 20 years and are just leaving now a lot of them are in all sorts of grief in terms of the property ladder. When do you think some proposals on that might come up?

Vice Admiral Laurence: The policy has been in place now for a couple of years, but there is an inevitable (perhaps "conflict" is too strong a word) balance to be struck between, on the one hand, encouraging unit cohesion and encouraging people to live on the patch, so to speak; and, on the other, encouraging people to buy their own house which brings responsibilities away from the unit. There is a balance to be struck there and I think we are moving forward slowly. I personally think one of the most important factors in all this is to meet the aspirations of our people. If they are wanting to buy houses, if that is what they see as the way ahead, then I think we ought to help them to do so where we can.

Q24 Mr Holloway: They might also be encouraged, because it probably does not occur to a lot of squaddies.

Vice Admiral Laurence: Absolutely.

Mr Olney: As you know, the housing stock is leased back to Annington. Where we do release housing back to Annington they do have a policy of, in effect, first refusal to our former Armed Service. That has certainly happened in a number of cases.


Q25 Chairman: Mr Olney, could we look at a sentence from our brief, and I do not often do this: "... there has been some disquiet that the Service families currently in such properties have not automatically been given first refusal on the purchase of their homes". Is that wrong?

Mr Olney: They do not automatically but they are certainly given help and support to acquire property. The recent one which was in the newspaper was Cottishall where there were a number of former servicemen who acquired property.


Q26 Mr Jones: I was speaking last night to Bob Russell, Member for Colchester, who was quite exercised about this. He said what you have just said is not true; families are not given first priority for these homes. That is why you have the situation about the people camping out. By your answer, I am not really clear what this priority is. What does it actually mean?

Mr Olney: Would it be worthwhile if I provided you with a note, which would provide a fuller answer?


This is the said NOTE I believe the JSHAO should be asking about

Chairman: Certainly it would; but if it leaves us in confusion we might need to ask you to come back in front of the Committee, because it is something that we will want to clear up, so if you could give us a note.

Q27 Mr Jenkins: Could it not include the number of properties actually sold as a total? What the ratio was would be very interesting.

Mr Olney: Could I just clear up that point. We will hand properties back to Annington. I just want to make it clear, we would not sell them.

Mr Jones: We know how it works.

Chairman: Could you give us a note, please. Could you also explain how it is that they are sometimes given the right of first priority but not automatically, and when that difference arises.

Q28 Mr Jones: Chairman, could we have the percentage of homes that have actually been sold; that would be interesting.

Vice Admiral Laurence: We will try to find that information out. I have a feeling it may be difficult to produce, but we will see what figures we have got.

Q29 Mr Jones: Chairman, I am sorry, but if you do not know that information how can you monitor that the actually policy is in place that you just told us about?

Vice Admiral Laurence: It is a fair point.

Mr Hamilton: Mr Olney indicated about selling to housing associations. I might point out that they sell houses; they do not purchase; you cannot buy from housing associations. If you have sold houses in Scotland and you have sold them to housing associations that means effectively that anyone in that house cannot purchase a house because they do not have that policy. If you indicate who you are selling the houses to, you need to also tell us what the policy of that organisation is in relation to the purchases of the council housing. Another thing we should be mindful of is when you are talking to various organisations you should also be mindful that many local authorities prioritise Service personnel when they come back; and, therefore, that should be a factor driven into the issue of selling houses. They should be considering the local authorities who actually prioritise Service personnel who come back in again. It would be interesting to see that.



This is the link to the complete transcript

http://www.publications.parliament....-i/uc53502.htm#muscat_highlighter_first_match

Regards

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Lantern Swinger
The Government has made £154 million in the profit shared agreement between 1996 upto Dec 2007. The following is a link to the number of properties sold and the end date of this agreement.

I would like to point out that Annington is like any other company, out to make money and invest. It's those within the House of Commons that should be asked questions. Where did the £1.67 billion go from the sale and the figure above!

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Link

http://www.annington.co.uk/downloads/corporate/AnningtonInformation.pdf
 
i fully expect to recieve flak for posting this but bo88ocks to it.

i have had to pay my mortgage of over £600 for 15 years whilst my fellow workers have spent the time in MQs at £300. why should they now be helped above others when they have had the easiest rental time in 3 mens NATO and now want extra help when leaving

i dont remember yeovil council giving me a rebate so i could have a nice car or fancy holidays like my MQ dwelling fellows

i now rent out my house and live in MQs so can fuly understand teh draw of cheap rent etc etc but have had to work at it in th epast.

awaiting my support - keep on waiting
 

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shag_shacker, thanks for you candid reply. I bet you are a real team player as well! The factor around cheap rent is very true but some people were unable to secure a deposit or afford a mortgage. More so now day's.

I would suggest you read the complete thread as a lot of the statements made by yourself have already be answered.

I know alot of people that bought property in the late 80's early 90's that have in the past 5 years paid of their outstanding debts, and that was after losing their property.

I see by your entry you have a family, if.. god forbid, you was killed in action how would your partner pay off your mortgage? and don't say life insurance, read the small print!


Mortgage companies are set to increase their mortgage repayments once again. How the hell will service leavers be able to house their families?

The problems continue for those who have served, local councils are still hesitant to change the ruling over local connection. The other factor is the shortage of social housing nowadays!

What is the Government's strategic plan towards helping those leaving the forces?


Regards

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Hitback said:
shag_shacker, thanks for you candid reply. I bet you are a real team player as well! The factor around cheap rent is very true but some people were unable to secure a deposit or afford a mortgage. More so now day's.

I would suggest you read the complete thread as a lot of the statements made by yourself have already be answered.

I know alot of people that bought property in the late 80's early 90's that have in the past 5 years paid of their outstanding debts, and that was after losing their property.

I see by your entry you have a family, if.. god forbid, you was killed in action how would your partner pay off your mortgage? and don't say life insurance, read the small print!


Mortgage companies are set to increase their mortgage repayments once again. How the hell will service leavers be able to house their families?

The problems continue for those who have served, local councils are still hesitant to change the ruling over local connection. The other factor is the shortage of social housing nowadays!

What is the Government's strategic plan towards helping those leaving the forces?


Regards

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of course i'm a team player, wouldnt have got o here without being one. what that has to do with the current situation is beyond me though.

with the keyworker scheme now available then there is adequate help to getting on the ladder. yes i will admit that teh ladder isnt high enuff to reach the desired property in one go but at least its a start.

what do you suggest - how do we favour the RN without say nurses, lollipop ladies etc etc whinging - you cant,

its unfortunate that teh housing market in this country is bizarre but life is a shitty sock sometimes
 
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