DT article on Russians (trying) to track Trident boats

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    Whether this is true, rumour or propaganda, I know (or care) not ;


    Russian subs stalk Trident in echo of Cold War

    Russian submarines are hunting down British Vanguard boats in a return to Cold War tactics not seen for 25 years, Navy chiefs have warned.

    By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
    Published: 10:37PM BST 27 Aug 2010

    A specially upgraded Russian Akula class submarine has been caught trying to record the acoustic signature made by the Vanguard submarines that carry Trident nuclear missiles, according to senior Navy officers.

    British submariners have also reported that they are experiencing the highest number of "contacts" with Russian submarines since 1987.
    If the Russians are able to obtain a recording of the unique noise of the boat's propellers it would have serious implications for Britain's nuclear deterrent. Using its sophisticated sonar, the Akula would be able to track Vanguards and potentially sink them before they could launch their Trident D4 missiles.

    The Daily Telegraph has learnt that, within the past six months, a Russian Akula entered the North Atlantic and attempted to track a Vanguard. The incident has remained secret until now.

    It is understood that the Russians stood off Faslane, where the British nuclear force is based, and waited for a Trident-carrying boat to come out for its three-month patrol to provide the Continuous At Sea Deterrent.

    While patrolling in the North Atlantic, there are a limited number of places the Vanguard is permitted to go and it is thought that the Akula attempted to track it on several occasions.

    Navy commanders are understood to have ordered a Trafalgar-class hunter-killer submarine to protect the Vanguard. A recording of the Akula was made by the Trafalgar submarine's sonar operators and has been played to The Daily Telegraph.

    "The Russians have been playing games with us, the Americans and French in the North Atlantic," a senior Navy commander said.

    "We have put a lot of resources into protecting Trident because we cannot afford by any stretch to let the Russians learn the acoustic profile of one of our bombers as that would compromise the deterrent."

  2. fails_as_is

    fails_as_is Badgeman Book Reviewer

    Why Russia spies Interesting Radio 4 documentary discussing recent activations of QRF to intercept Russian Tupolev bombers and an interview with an SSN commander saying that Russian SSN deployments have increased "significantly" in recent years.
  3. Seaweed

    Seaweed War Hero Book Reviewer

    Repeating my post from ARRSE: In my opinion, what this means is (a) what Astutes we are allowed to have willend up committed to supporting the deterrent and will not be available for anything else, including keeping the plot of what Ivan is up to, and (b) the Vs will have to be replaced sooner, not later with something even quieter. Dithering about the V replacement is not an option. If one day a V fails to return from a patrol it will be too late. And we need to keep rolling out Astutes.

    As to what Putin is up to today, noone can tell what will happen if/when he pops it (or is popped).
  4. ......'twas ever thus.
  5. I doubt that there is anything 'New' and I'm sure our underwater service has always had the task ongoing despite the aggressive cuts.

    Keep up the good work
  6. For a defense corespondent he could really do with researching what is carried, but interesting article all the same.
  7. Does anyone think it is unlikely that a British or septic boat may have tracked a Rusky bomber for exactly the same reason.
    As BOOTWU says "`twas ever thus"
  8. I'm almost sure this is just a bit of RN publicity to counter the RAF's splurge on interceting bombers.

    The only bit I thought interesting was ;

    ".... A recording of the Akula was made by the Trafalgar submarine's sonar operators and has been played to The Daily Telegraph. ...."

    So (apart from the fact that the journalist wouldn't have know what he hearing) that means it got extremely high level clearance.

  9. i would be very very very very surprised if they got a identifiable broadband recording of the akula.
  10. Thanks for the link - I'll have a listen later.
  11. Whilst on a POC at Plymouth, We visited a Type 23 and had a tour given by one of the ratings. He was saying that he last post was up in Faslane, tracking the Russian subs.

    He didn't seem too concerned with the outcome...
  12. Must have been a quiet draft as no boat can reach Faslane without being on the surface.
  13. If anyone missed Why Russia Spies on Radio 4 or iPlayer you can listen to it here
  14. They don't have to spy on Radio 4 - they just have to tune into it.


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