nelsons_blood said:I reckon a few of you blowing the RNR trumpet need a bit of a wake-up call!! There is so much I would like to reply to, however for starters....
GCYZ said:Aggree completely. When MW training took place at Dryad the RNR where on the key list for Coniston Building. We opened up Sat and Sun, conducted training as required, even cleaned ship on sunday PM. Now at Collingwood we need a babysitter, who comes in and gets on with his own thing, does not contribute (or is required to ) to training. (Those involved are happy to volunteer as it takes them off the weekend duty roster.)
WarMonger said:We are going to need Merwex's, Seamanship weekends to break the bordom me thinks which means being able to have more access to the lead schools.....dont think thats going to happen do you!!!!
nelsons_blood said:. There is obviously a requirement for the RNR, however, I suggest that the mindset of the RNR needs to be altered with expectations lowered as to what the RN will require from you. GSSR etc is a good idea, however if your training is not up to spec then you cannot expect to be sat around the table negotiating the solution to the middle-east problem.
all_purple_now said:nelsons_blood said:I reckon a few of you blowing the RNR trumpet need a bit of a wake-up call!! There is so much I would like to reply to, however for starters....
I recall a previous thread in which Nelsons Blood started sounding off about the RNR.
May I suggest DNFTT?
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dubaipusser said:It is a systemic problem - the training design has to go through the proper procedures - identifying OPS (Operational Performance Statement (ie what the 'customer' wants the individuals to be able to do) which then translates into a TPS (Training Performance Statement) so that the key modules reflect what is needed. Several stages further on it all gets signed off by a bunch iof grown ups who agree that the training design can actually start in terms of lesson plans, documentation, assessments etc.
It takes time and isn't a weekend's work to put it all together - especially when the Training Design resource needs to be funded separately from a non-existant budget line.
dubaipusser said:The fact that sometimes the pretty obvious seems to take as long as the pretty difficult can be very frustrating but not as frustrating as some of the old and bold RNR-DIY attempts at training (which I have been on the wrong end of on too many occasions) where some well intentioned individual got agreement to a 2-week course slot and then tried to cram stuff into it with the end result being a total WOFT!
I sympathise - and I am sure that there will be a number of people who will instantly jump in saying that there are perfectly good RN courses (or RNR elements) that could be adapted - and there probably are - but that doesn't mean that we can afford to take shortcuts and ignore the due process which confirms the relevance of the training, the need for the trainees and the desired role to be filled by the RNR specs involved.
nelsons_blood said:I reckon a few of you blowing the RNR trumpet need a bit of a wake-up call!! There is so much I would like to reply to, however for starters....
1. Funding is tight everywhere within the MoD therefore training for reserve forces will never be the No 1 priority, no matter how much you feel you need it.
2. Training for the reserve forces generally prevents regulars from seeing their families during a weekend off, or are you suggesting that this should be the case?
3. Members of the RNR employed in a full time (FTRS) capacity are certainly of the opinion that the RN operates between 0800 - 1600 and that everything can wait until tomorrow morning. All very quick to start shouting about their contracts. Their professionalism and committment is therefore called into question.
4. Early RNR involvement in Op Highbrow was minimal. If the RNR cannot be called up and expected at work the following day, then they are not much use at all for short notice / immediate response operations.
5. There is obviously a requirement for the RNR, however, I suggest that the mindset of the RNR needs to be altered with expectations lowered as to what the RN will require from you. GSSR etc is a good idea, however if your training is not up to spec then you cannot expect to be sat around the table negotiating the solution to the middle-east problem.
dubaipusser said:FlagWagger said:While I agree that it is important that due processes exist and are followed, those same processes should be appropriate to all organisations affected and should be flexible enough to allow short-term deviations to get over deficiencies. The CIS specialisation has just issued an interim ratings task book based on an RN OPS; its not actually a task book in the traditional sense, it does however give CIS ratings visibility of what their job involves and also some idea of what their training will cover. If we'd followed the strictly correct approach, CIS would be silent for the next 2-3 years!
Thanks FW - Pleased to hear about the CIS initiative and don't get me wrong, I am a pragmatist and proud of it - if the system doesn't work then change it - but be aware of why the system operates the way it does.
The danger remains that the CIS workaround is just that - a workaround and pressure still needs to be sustained to ensure that the spec gets the TD input it deserves to ensure that the training is relevant and 'accepted' by the RN. "Based on" is a start but doesn't sit comfortably with me - but then neither does being "silent for the next 2-3 years"
nelsons_blood said:Strangely, the attitude you refer to is not visible any longer within the Brithish Army towards the Territorials, who have transformed themselves into a credible force able to conduct specialist or general operations worldwide. You could do far worse than take a leaf from their book.
nelsons_blood said:Strangely, the attitude you refer to is not visible any longer within the Brithish Army towards the Territorials, who have transformed themselves into a credible force able to conduct specialist or general operations worldwide. You could do far worse than take a leaf from their book.
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Strangely, the attitude you refer to is not visible any longer within the Brithish Army towards the Territorials, who have transformed themselves into a credible force able to conduct specialist or general operations worldwide. You could do far worse than take a leaf from their book.
nelsons_blood said:Strangely, the attitude you refer to is not visible any longer within the Brithish Army towards the Territorials, who have transformed themselves into a credible force able to conduct specialist or general operations worldwide. You could do far worse than take a leaf from their book.