DOES MY PHOTO OF GRANDAD MATCH THIS ONE TAKEN ON HMS HOOD!!!

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  1. Hi there,

    You will probably remember my posts about my grandad Robin John MacCormack, he was in the royal navy and was a lead stoker. He joined in 1941 and served for four years.

    Well,,,as expected my uncle did not bring my grandads service records, so thats that!!

    My great uncle terry told me about a story my grandad told him, so here goes.

    There was a ship, a huge famous one, with a 2500 person capacity, my grandad was assigned to it and a few days before it sailed he got ill and could go on it. It sailed without him and was sunk by the germans, all but one person, another stoker died! And of course my grandad was a second person to survive coz he was poorly!

    Also, my great aunt told him he was on corvettes???

    SO, you have your work cut out, and I am totally annoyed with my crappy family for being so crap!

    Also, I was given some of my grandads things, by the nice people, and in amongst them is a small, well used whistle, made of gold/silver or something similar. It has a little eyelet on one end that I guess you could thread a chain through, it makes a high pitch noise for such a small whistle, I guess it is about 3 centimetres in length including the eyelet and 8mm wide. ANY IDEAS!!!!!

    KIRSTIE
     
  2. Re: GRANDADS SERVICE RECORDS- NO JOY BUT HAVE SOME INFO TO G

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    THESE PICS ARE.....

    The first one is taken on HMS HOOD, I found it by accident, the man on the right looks just like my grandad, and the man on the left looks like the man on the right in the second picture...

    WHAT DO YOU THINK....

    Kirstie
     
  3. Re: DOES MY PHOTO OF GRANDAD MATCH THIS ONE TAKEN ON HMS HOO

    Sorry what is it you want to know exactly? I'm not entirely sure what you are asking.

    This is either a boatswain's (pronounced "bosun's") call or a drill whistle.
    If there is a spherical ball on one end of it, in which there is a hole, then it is the former. Otherwise it is probably the latter; given the dimensions you give it sounds like the latter but it strikes me as somewhat odd that your granddad would have such a thing if he wasn't a gunnery instructor.
     
  4. Re: GRANDADS SERVICE RECORDS- NO JOY BUT HAVE SOME INFO TO G

    I'm puzzled as to why one Jolly Jack is wearing a summer cap and one a winter cap, and I don't think the same man is in pictures one and two. Also the soldier has better-polished shoes than either of the matelots!
     
  5. Re: DOES MY PHOTO OF GRANDAD MATCH THIS ONE TAKEN ON HMS HOO

    "I'm puzzled as to why one Jolly Jack is wearing a summer cap and one a winter cap"

    We had a wee head scratching session on this question in a previous thread too WM. I came up with the possibility that the piccie was taken in somewhere like Gib or a West African port. The white capped matelot may have been part of the permanent base staff or on a ship stationed around those areas. The black capped guy may have been part of the Home Fleet who was a crewman of a convoy escort and the guys met up in sunny climes.

    Mrs P has since confirmed that the piccie was taken in Gib by a local photographer.

    Pol
     
  6. Re: DOES MY PHOTO OF GRANDAD MATCH THIS ONE TAKEN ON HMS HOO

    Thanks Pol, that explains it.
     
  7. My great uncle terry told me about a story my grandad told him, so here goes.

    There was a ship, a huge famous one, with a 2500 person capacity, my grandad was assigned to it and a few days before it sailed he got ill and could go on it. It sailed without him and was sunk by the germans, all but one person, another stoker died! And of course my grandad was a second person to survive coz he was poorly!


    When i read the above a dim bell rang in my brain.I am sure your dad was mentioned ,not by name though,in missing the fateful departure due to illness on one of the History Channel programmes about the Hood and bismark.I am sure if you approach the Hood Assoc they should be able to assist you.The bloke on the left of the Hood photo is Stoker(2nd class) Jack Silk P/KX 116941 and was lost when the Hood sank.

    http://hmshood.com/
     
  8. Re: DOES MY PHOTO OF GRANDAD MATCH THIS ONE TAKEN ON HMS HOO

    I have sent my pic of Gibraltor to the HMS Hood site, and explained it to them, hopefully they will get back to me.

    Just to be stupid, the uncle who was supposed to give me the service records is called Andy M!!!

    MOre tomorrow...hopefully!

    K
     
  9. LOL well its not me.
     
  10. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Re: DOES MY PHOTO OF GRANDAD MATCH THIS ONE TAKEN ON HMS HOO

    You sure about that Andy? (Mrs P did mention the word crap in her opening post! :lol: )
     
  11. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    I thought that there were three survivours from the Hood?
     
  12. tee hee!!!

    I am convinced that the pic I found of the three men on the hood is my grandad, robin john mccormick.

    I reckon he was assigned to the Hood, and then when it docked somewhere, or came home for repairs or something, he couldnt get back on because he was sick, and it left him behind.

    THEN...some nasty people sunk it.

    Flaw in my idea is that if he was "the man who was sick when hood sunk" then surely he would be on the HOOD WEBSITE????

    However perhaps he went on hood, then got reassigned, then he was sick when another ship sailed and sank.....

    Bugger only knows!!
     
  13. Re: DOES MY PHOTO OF GRANDAD MATCH THIS ONE TAKEN ON HMS HOO

    That pretty much describes last mission of HMS Hood as she was sunk by the Bismark between Greenland & Iceland just in case you didn't realise.

    As aforesaid by Dunkers the whistle you describe is probably a bosuns call. Details below on how to use it:

    http://www.btinternet.com/~fourthgill.seascouts/bosuncall.htm

    Regards,

    ~Vesper
     
  14. Re: DOES MY PHOTO OF GRANDAD MATCH THIS ONE TAKEN ON HMS HOO

    hey,

    its not one of those whistles, will post a pic of it tomorrow, its probably nothing to do with the navy, Just that it looks well used, so didnt think it was just some kind of lucky charm!!!

    x

    NB- I read up a bit about the HOOD, but, I am thinking that if grandad was off sick when it sunk, he would be in all the books for being the man that was off sick when the hood sunk, surely he'd be on the HMS Hood website.......

    frustration!

    I have emailed my crap uncle to ask him again if he will email me the ships and the dates, surely that cant be too hard for him........no doubt he will ignore me again, I have tried pleading with him, but he's probably gonna be a twat, so we'll see!!
     
  15. They have published the Ships logs and they do have notations of ratings going ashore to sick quarters but no names.HAve you tried to contact HMS Centurion?They may be able to locate the draft order and other records for you.
     
  16. Re: DOES MY PHOTO OF GRANDAD MATCH THIS ONE TAKEN ON HMS HOO

    Hi again Mrs P,

    During my researches into my Families service histories I have often discovered some amazingly spooky coincidences and this is another one.

    My father very rarely spoke of his WW2 experiences but on one occasion shortly after I joined HM/SM Repulse he told me this story.

    While serving in the Home Fleet at Scapa Flow Dad was told, at short notice, that he was to travel down to Plymouth to join the old HMS Repulse. Due to the difficulties of wartime travel arrangements he arrived at Plymouth late only to watch the Repulse sail out of the Dockyard without him. If he had arrived on time who knows what would have happened to him in the Far East.

    Getting back on thread, if we can find the date that the Hood sailed on her last voyage we have a start point for further research.

    You have mentioned corvettes in your posts. There were hundreds of these small escorts built but many were crewed by Canadian sailors so we can narrow the search down the ones crewed by British RN lads.

    If we assume that your Grandfathers illness was not prolonged and he was drafted to a corvette shortly after he recovered and the ship was either based in Gib or a West African squadron we can narrow the field again.

    Also if the corvette was part of a Home Fleet unit, either on purely escort duties or as part of an Escort Group operating on the GB/Gib route we again can narrow the field. I have records of all of the convoys which sailed on this route and many escort vessels are shown. However if the ship was part of an Escort Group as opposed to an attached convoy escort this may be more difficult to track down but not impossible.

    All the above depends on whether your Grandad was the ill sailor who missed the Hoods final and fatal sailing. As Andy so rightly says the Hood Association may help in this matter.

    Keep in touch and nag away at your relative to furnish further details. Any other snippets you collect let us know as everything big or small is important in this sort of research.

    Pol
     
  17. thank you very much, one thing, why would I contact HMS centurion??? Is it obvious????

    Have contacted HMS Hoood, but their site says that they take some time to get back as are very busy etc.......have sent two emails to they know I am depserate!

    THE THINGS I DEF KNOW-

    He served on corvettes at some point.
    He missed a 'famous' boat sailing, and the boat sank, he was sick at the time, it was some sort of tummy complaint.
    He served for four years.
    He definitely went to Gib.
    His brother Cyril was in the Navy at the same time, not sure if the same reg.

    As for the important stuff, I know nothing!!!!

    K
     
  18. OK, SO WHAT IF MY GRANDAD WAS ON HOOD, HENCE THERE IS A PIC OF HIM ON THE SHIP WITH THE TWO OTHER MEN. THEN WHEN IT WAS REFIT AS PER THE SNIPPIT BELOW HE DIDNT GO BACK ON???

    From 13 January to 18 March 1941, she underwent a refit at Rosyth. Even after the refit she was still in poor condition, but the threat from the German capital ships was such that she could not be taken into dock for a major overhaul until more of the King George V-class battleships came into service.

    When the German battleship Bismarck sailed in May, Hood was sent out under the flag of Admiral Lancelot Holland, together with the newly-commissioned Prince of Wales, to intercept the German ships before they could break into the Atlantic and attack the Allied convoys. Holland’s ships caught up with Bismarck and her consort, the heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen, in the straits between Greenland and Iceland on May 24. During the subsequent Battle of the Denmark Strait on 24 May 1941, Hood suffered from a series of events which culminated in her destruction.
     
  19. reply back from hms hood site.......

    Hi Kirstie,
    >
    > Thanks for this mail and for the previous one.
    >
    > How odd that your relatives don't want to show you
    > your grandfather's
    > service records. That would clear up most of the
    > doubt. We also like to
    > include men on our crew list where we have definite
    > info that they served in
    > Hood and the service record would prove that. It
    > would also show which other
    > ships he served in and open up new avenues of
    > research for you.
    >
    > I know that the Royal Navy stipulates that it only
    > releases service papers
    > to next of kin but it might be worth you writing to
    > them. I'm not sure where
    > the next of kin rule came from to be honest and
    > whether it has any legal
    > standing. Also, under the new Freedom of Information
    > Act it may be that you
    > are allowed to access the records. I think that's
    > the only way we are going
    > to prove this one way or the other.
    >
    > It's almost impossible for these photos to be
    > identified by men who served
    > in Hood now. Very rare that they recognise anyone.
    >
    > Best wishes
    >
    > Paul
     
  20. HUGE LONG SHOT!!!

    TAKEN FROM SHIPS LOG, 22 SEPTEMBER 1940

    13:15 - 5 Ordinary Seamen, 1 Seamen Torpedoman, 1 Stoker discharged to R.N.B. Portsmouth. Hands employed par

    GRANDAD WAS A STOKER!!! TEE HEE, CLUTCHING AT STRAWS, OR GATHERING INFOM YOU DECIDE!!

    K
     

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