Does Laser eye surgery stop you from specialising ?

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  1. I have an interview at my AFCO on the 18th December. When I got the letter, because I wear contact lenses and am having laser eye surgery, it said that having laser eye surgery can resrict you from certain specialisations'. I tried to ring up and find out what this meant, but a week later no reply. Anyone know what I could not apply for because of this.
  2. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Well if you are joining up as an Occifer then you cannot have eye surgery, as we all know, you'll have to wear rose-tinted glasses...

    :roll: :wink:
  3. Haha, I honestly hope its not like that because I'm just a normal scouse 20 year old lad that wants to be a Marine officer. Very outgoing and within my group of friends I am the loud one, am just one of the lads. Not a typical army Rupert.
    I have read a lot about the RM and officers and because of the training at lympstone where recruits and officers train together, I am hoping the officers respect the recruits as much as recruits respect the officer.
    What do you think...

  4. Cant you nick a new pair then?
  5. They have it listed, you can't (if you were capable :bball: ) go to the SBS/ML courses, snipers out too I believe, but they have changed the outlook on LES over the last few years and they probably will continue to, it was banned outright for RM's untill a short while back, I wouldn't worry about specialisations yet anyway, get through training first :thumright: good luck

    edit, just to note I'm not a RM, I'm in the same boat as you and this is the information I was given, so if I've stepped in where I should not have, I apologise
  6. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Standard reply sent to all persons considering laser surgery, it's worth reading in depth:

    Thank you for your enquiry regarding eyesight corrective laser surgery (corneal refractive surgery) and the relevant Royal Navy Policy. The Naval Service does not endorse the use of laser surgery as a method to gain entry and there is no guarantee that such treatment will improve vision to an acceptable standard.

    The Naval Service requires individuals to serve anywhere in the world, in extremes of climate and operational situations, which are remote from primary and secondary care. Therefore, even minor conditions such as the use of correcting lenses can take on much greater significance when even basic support is limited. As a consequence, medical screening is stringent and to a higher standard than might be expected for normal civilian employment.

    In general, any defect or weakness of sight will be a bar to entry if these defects render an individual incapable of, or likely to be incapable of performing general duties in the Naval Service. The tri-Service standard for uncorrected visual acuity is right eye 6/60 and left eye> 6/60.

    With regard to surgical correction of myopia or hypermetropia, it is acknowledged that the following methods are now considered suitable for entry on an individual case by case basis for non-specialist employment groups and subject to single Service requirements:

    (a) Photorefractive Keratectomy (PRK)

    (b) Laser Epithelial Keratomileusis (LASEK)

    (c) Laser in-situ Keratomileusis

    (d) Intrastromal Corneal Rings (ICRs), otherwise known as Intrastromal
    Segments (ICS).

    Entry will not be considered for Radical Keratotomy (RK), or Astigmatic Keratotomy (AK), or any other form of incisional refractive surgery, other than those procedures listed above. All invasive intraocular surgical procedures will remain a bar to entry.

    In order to be considered a candidate must fulfil the following criteria and provide documentary evidence to support that:

    (a) The pre-operative refractive error was not more than +6.00 or 6.00diopter (spherical equivalent) in either eye and;

    (b) The best spectacle corrected visual acuity is 6/9 or better in each eye and;

    (c) At least 12 months have elapsed since the date of the last surgery or enhancement procedure and;

    (d) There has been no significant visual side effects secondary to the surgery affecting daily activities and;

    (e) Refraction is stable; as defined by two refractions performed on each eye at least 6 months apart, with no more than 0.50 diopter difference in the spherical equivalent in each eye.

    (f) Specialist visual function testing has been carried out with satisfactory results at least 12 months following surgery, including assessment of refraction, symmetry of visual acuity, high and low contrast sensitivity (with and without glare sources), astigmatism, glare, corneal clarity, masked mild hypermetropia and night vision.

    An applicant who has undergone eyesight corrective laser surgery must supply evidence of the above and may be subject to evaluation by a Service Ophthalmic Consultant. Each case is considered on an individual basis and if all the criteria are met it may be possible to consider an application to enter the Naval Service.

    Decisions regarding any kind of ophthalmic surgery should be discussed with an Ophthalmic Consultant.
    This letter should be taken to ophthalmic consultations where eyesight corrective laser surgery is to be discussed with a view to achieving the necessary eyesight standards for entry.

    Edited to include letter ammend
  7. So LASIK is not allowed?
  8. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Unless it's another name for paragraph "c" however as always, speak to the Medical Officer at your local AFCO for a definitive answer. Sometimes the medical standards for entry are revised.
  9. That all sounds a load of bollocks to me. My son had Laser eye surgery and his sight is now perfect.
    He swears that it is the best 3 grand he is ever likely to spend in his life.

    I think whoever wrote that crap has never come into contact with anyone who has had it done.

    Are you nervous at all of having it done SB146564?
  10. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    The person that wrote it is the Senior Naval Medical Officer, I'm sure he/she will value your qualified input. :thumright:

    Fairly sure it's been changed to include LASIK, but again, the individual needs to speak with a RN Medical Officer who is better qualified to advise rather than ourselves.
  11. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    LASIK is 'accepted', I'm waiting to have my eyes zapped (scratched my cornea whilst running in the dark) - £1200 at Optical Express to correct fairly average (okay total) blindness :thumright:

    Two good friends have had it done - stunning results better than 20/20 (never knew that was possible).

    Should have done this sooner as wearing contacts in the sandbox was a nightmare and resorting to glasses meant I couldn't wear goggles so ended up wandering on and off whockas so blind I was less than useless. Typical pusser wouldn't stump up for eye surgery or even oversized ski goggles (which are so easy to get a hold off in Afghanistan).
  12. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Whilst Lasik probably is acceptable, you have to wait 12 months after surgery before you may join the Service, in case there are complications.

    Again, beware of falling into the trap of thinking what is an accepted medical standard from those currently already serving is the same as the required medical standard for entry into Naval service. IT ISN'T.

    Two completely different standards apply. For those wishing to join: Again speak to the Medical Officer at your AFCO before you undergo surgery.
  13. Just had a call from the AFCO thid morning. To clear it up, he said the only thing I cannot apply for within the RM is pilot. Everything else is ok.
    Thanks for the help though
    P.s I'm having the surgery on the 7th January and yes quite nervous haha. Its make or break for my career basically!
  14. Can't stop you being nervous, no one can, but he says that you will get more aprehensive when you sit in the chair. There is NO pain and the only discomfort is afterwards. My son says it is like being in a bar with smokers, well we all put ourselves through that voluntarily so nothing to worry about.
    No, they don't supply the beer.
  15. I heard you smell your eyes burning. My mate might have been pulling my leg though.
  16. Nelson just wore an eyepatch!
  17. So did Moshe Dyan!
  18. If they had lived in the same era would they have seen eye to eye?

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