Divers redundent??£25.000 payoff???

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  1. You heard it here first fellas.
    I have it on very good authority that this thursdays pay review will have a few bomb shells in it,one of them being the ultra scaling down of the MCD branch.
    Divers are to be offered payoffs who have served five years or more whilst fleet teams are combined and area teams combined and downsized in the biggest shake up ever known of military divers.
  2. Christ what the hell is wrong with these so called leaders.
    First it was ships diver,s now the bloody CD,s, they make you sick and they will be sorry if the brown stuff hits the fan again like the falklands etc.
    I was a ships diver during my time 62 - 77, and passed my course at drake in 64. So like many of us ive seen some of what CD,s get up to, also after the mob when i was on the rigs, many of the diver,s where ex-pusser,s CD,s. once more i fear for my country and the mob, and im glad i retired to spain
  3. Hi all. Can anyone verify if this is genuine?
  4. Well this is the buzz thats going around Horsea at the moment according to my mates up there.
  5. Ok, thanks for the info.

    Another question (although this may now sound somewhat stupid): Is it still worth joining the branch?

    I've passed selection and I'm due to begin training at Raleigh pretty soon. However, this is the first I've heard of this and it's the total opposite of what I was told by my careers office last September. They informed me that due to the navy having restructured the diving branch (ie: having got rid of ships divers) this is a good time to join as a direct entry diver and the career prospects are good. Obviously if the above turns out to be true I would assume that this would have a negative impact on future career prospects for divers - that's if they're even still accepting newcomers to the branch.
  6. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    As with any buzz, don't believe it until it's in print.

    With regard recruiting there are no indications, suggestions, buzzes or instructions that there is any proposed reduction to the requirement in fact next year there is a 30% increase in the requirement for Divers.

    If there were redundancies, it will free-up the promotion pipeline for those that are about to join or those that remain.

    Frankly, even if it were true, £25K is not even a years' wage to an AB Diver that's served 5 year. or more. Given that you sign an 18 year minimum contract when you join, if anyone wants to make you redundant, they have to compensate you for "X" years loss of guaranteed income - £25K sounds woefully short change to me.

    Even if a reduction in numbers is required, they are normally reduced through natural wastage (those reaching the end of contract or submitting notice) and a reduction in recruiting - there is no indication that this is happening so far as I'm aware.

    Happy to stand corrected, but all official verbal & written indications are to the contrary at present.
  7. well its been on orders for the last week asking for people to tranfser over so i doubt it
  8. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Spill the beans Danny- What orders, asking for which people to transfer to what trade and last but not least- What is it you doubt?[​IMG]

    Possibly sweepdeckcommando, with his known respect of the Diving trade, has decided to start a bit of rumour-mongering just for the hell of it in a cyber-NAAFI queue. :thumright:
  9. Sorry to repeat the question, but could someone please advise if there is any truth behind these rumours?

    I'm about to resign from a fairly decent job abroad to follow my dream of becoming a Navy diver and if the above is true, then I may need to reconsider.
  10. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    First & foremost no matter what job you wish to apply for, unless you have passed all elements of selection (including the Pre-Entry Diving Acquaint (PEDA) course if you want to be a Diver), then you are very strongly advised not to give up your job.

    Having checked with Captain Naval Recruiting (CNR) headquarters this afternoon, my previous posts on this particular subject on this thread remain firmly extant to the best of our knowledge.

    Sadly there are those who spread rumour and cause unsubstantiated angst without consideration for others. Possibly things may change, but at present, to re-emphasise: there is nothing which currently substantiates the initial claims of this thread.
  11. I've passed the PEDA and I'm due to begin training at Raleigh in the next couple of months. I'm aware of course that I'll still have to pass the 1 week selection course at the Defence Diving School following basic training and therefore nothing is guaranteed, but for obvious reasons I don't want to join a branch that is about to be disbanded, downsized or generally fu$$ed over by the government.

    Thanks for the reply anyway, I'll assume then that this was just a rumour...
  12. Whats up sunny did you fail the diver's aptitude test.Never mind carry on sweeping the deck you may get the hang of it after a few years. :hockey:
  13. Aaah buzz's are great aren't they?

    How bout the one that divers are going to be taken off ships. That buzz has been going on for 10 years now. Will never Happen.

    Anyway I digress,

    The diving branch is currently 30% undermanned not taking into account nearly 40% of the fleet and bomb teams have submitted their notice to PVR.

    Half of the team I'm on are outside by the end of the year.

    There will be a major manning issue in the diving branch come January next year. Fact.

    The Senior command have chosen to ignore the issue and have submitted returns reflecting a manning state of divers that includes divers that are still at Raleigh!!! ie not even passed MCD's course yet and have taken no account of the imminent TX date of all the divers with their notices in. I Know at least 25 off the top of my head. Not to mention another ten that have left in the last year.

    The diving branch is about to go full circle like it did back in the 80's when the holes in the North sea opened up as is happening now.

    There will be a loss of experience but conversely promotion will accelerate so there will be many benefits for joining as a CD now.

    The AFPS were round on Tuesday, and the commitment of divers to the new CHALFONT role, ie SDV and MCT for UKSF support was a major topic. This new role pioneered by the Alamanda project on Splendid will be sucking almost all of the fleet groups manpower for Astute!

    In my opinion there is absolutely no danger that redundancies will be offered, as the current rate of PVR negates the need even if there was one.

    A brand new CDLSE diving set has been commissioned by Divex at vast expense, that alone substantiates the argument that divers have a major role to play in the new UK Navy.

    We have new ships arriving the new carriers have been approved.

    I think it is highly unlikely that fleet will get rid of a handful of specialist divers with the eminent arrival of new ships.

    The Branch is 250 strong at full strength, and probably only half of those are actually regular in the water, MCD's, the rest are in management roles.

    I dont think so SD commando, go clean the overheads or something.

  14. Sorry on our Squadron daily orders. Asking for people to transfer to the diving branch
  15. Thanks for the info UXBDIVER, it's excellent to get an insiders view on the situation.

    As a potential newcomer to the branch however, it is somewhat concerning that "40% of the fleet and bomb teams have submitted their notice to PVR". Are you able to give any indication as to why that's the case? Is morale low within the branch or are people leaving for other reasons?
  16. Just look at the current price of oil and natural gas. Reserves that weren't previously cost-effective to exploit are now looking far more attractive. The North Sea and other areas offshore are booming again and the rewards for trained divers are staggering, especially after their recent pay rises.

    Far more success has been achieved in training divers to perform the necessary underwater engineering tasks than in attempting to train engineers to dive. That is why the RN has recently introduced some fairly stringent 'return of service' conditions and incentive packages for CDs.
  17. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    To further re-enforce the excellent detail from "UXBDiver" & "Naval Gazer", the branch recruiting requirement from next year has risen from 40 to 60 new "Mirror Checkers".

    Again, I'd agree the pay rates for qualified divers in the commercial field are outstanding - hence the predictable exodus.
  18. You've got it spot on the pay rates are up 40% as from 2007.And long term contracts are being dished out to Saturation dives.New build D.S.V.s are coming on stream faster than they can crewed in some incidences. Some of the crewing short fall will be taken up on the marine side by Poles ect.But on the project side Dive supervisors, sat techs,sat divers,deckforemen ect.It's hard to say were they will get them from.I would think that most of the lads on the diving side started in the mid 1970s or 80s.And some like myself will be either retired or thinking of retiring soon.I now that the company that I last worked for has started a training program to help meet the short fall.I hope they have not left it too late.My concern is there could be a increase in accidents offshore due to new and inexperienced personnel as was the case in the early 1970s.
    If you are thinking of getting into diving this could not be a better time for the right people. Getting qualified is the easy bit, but finding and keeping a job is a different matter. :whew:

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