Disband the RAF?

capt-ahab said:
Some of you have probably already seen this - been on arrse already but wondered what the feeling would be over here?

It’s time to abolish the RAF according to Col Tim Collins

"We’d have a more efficient, streamlined armed forces without the air corps" apparently - what you reckon to this?

Edited to add the link I forgot to put in!

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?menuID=1&subID=482

The Labour Party proposed the same thing in the mid 1930s. They needn't have bothered: Chamberlain had cut them to the bone already! Perhaps Col.Collins is a closet socialist (unlikely)? Disbanding the Army... and shifting the money into the RN, now that's an idea :lol:

A truly streamlined armed forces would drastically prune the supernumary admirals, generals, etc from the payroll and spend more of retaining quality personnel in the lower ranks! :evil:
 

ThePunisher

Lantern Swinger
Not popular, but worth mentioning; when the Army was curled into a feotal position, bleeding from it's collective ARRSE and whimpering "Make the bad Hun stop, Mummy!", it was the RAF who saved the day.
Without The Few back in 1940, Col Collins would have been speaking in German today and asking "Do we really need a Luftwaffa?"
Army and Marines can slag the Rockapes. But the RAF remains the best Airforce in the world. And I'll fight any man who says different!
 

Geoff_Wessex

Lantern Swinger
Like the Canadians? They did it to streamline their forces, but now there isn't the political will to truly support and equip them. In hindsight it was the thin end of the wedge. Shame - they've been among the finest forces in the world.

I do think that manning levels in the RAF have always been relatively luxurious compared to the RN - they seem to have lots of people making careers out of doing the small jobs that form only a part of the jobs of their RN equivalents. Good detailed knowledge, but only in limited fields. An RAF corporal in the communications world would need to expand his knowledge fourfold to keep up with a modern LOM(C) (LRO as was).
 

ThePunisher

Lantern Swinger
RAF has already been cut to the bone; at any one time, only half the RAF's jets can fly. They have to use the other half for spare parts. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
The RAF, like the rest of the Armed Forces, somehow manage to turn out some of the best people in the world at their prticular speciality - in spite of being shafted by the MoD and the Treasury.
 
Geoff_Wessex said:
Like the Canadians? They did it to streamline their forces, but now there isn't the political will to truly support and equip them. In hindsight it was the thin end of the wedge. Shame - they've been among the finest forces in the world.

I do think that manning levels in the RAF have always been relatively luxurious compared to the RN - they seem to have lots of people making careers out of doing the small jobs that form only a part of the jobs of their RN equivalents. Good detailed knowledge, but only in limited fields. An RAF corporal in the communications world would need to expand his knowledge fourfold to keep up with a modern LOM(C) (LRO as was).

Jargon, jargon... What does OM(C) stand for? :?
 

Geoff_Wessex

Lantern Swinger
I even put it in brackets for you old salts! Operator Maintainer (Communications). No more jargon thatn "Chief Stoker" or "Joss".
 

CheefTiff

Lantern Swinger
Probably not quite on topic but interesting just the same. Someone spoke earlier about The Battle of Britain lads who saved our bacon in the last big shindig. It seems folks have short memories.

Interestingly, I had occasion to visit our local council offices this week. Although a brand new shiny reception has been built, the actual main offices are housed in what used to be the officers mess of RAF West Malling (Of Sir Guy Gibson fame) and a large memorial notice board outside tells the story.

Although the base no longer exists some of the buildings do. You can still tell a couple of hangers amongst the new build, and the control tower is a listed building, as is the officers mess.

As for the rest, well its now known as Kings Hill and comprises businesses, a part of the Uni of Greenwich, local council offices, loads of residential, an Asda supermarket, doctors surgery etc etc and of course........ A pub ! The pub is called "The Spitfire" - I wonder why ?
 

PartTimePongo

War Hero
I was a young Staff Cadet at Malling back in 19depressing when 618VGS were there.

The pub I remember at the time was the Startled Saint.

Have you seen the ghosts yet CheefTiff? :)
 

chieftiff

War Hero
Moderator
Disband the RAF? I hope not or my line of responsibility will be somewhat diminished, in fact my organisation tree would only have me in it!

Lot of talk about this in JFH (Joint Force Harrier) a lot of it just banta to wind up the crabs, we call it the 100 year experiment!

The reality is yes the RAF are over manned compared to the Navy, even after this round of redundancies, this is because many of their trade boundaries are so narrow. To say that they are experts in their small trades is also false, they know no more in their single trades than their Naval equivelants do in their "multi trades" believe me on this I am in a position to know, that is just the RAF blowing smoke up their own arses to justify what they do. Muliti-skilling is the way ahead for the Airforce- catching up with the rest of the world is the reality.

A big but in this though, who is the fool, the service which has allowed it's numbers to dwindle to the point where gapping is the norm or the service which has left enough fat in it's numbers to allow for the unforeseen?

To use the heroics of a previous generation to defend the ability and necessity of the current is a useless argument, and I truly believe those who use it know this. We all know those guys went above and beyond the call of duty, their sacrifice will never be forgotten, certainly not by me anyway. The Royal Air Force is without doubt the best Air Force in the world, I have flown with a few and know who I would rather fly with! They need to come through this current round of manpower reductions and LEAN and maintain their ability to do what they do yet strive to do it better.

The best Air Force in the world is not the same as the best operators of aircraft- that obviously sits firmly with the FAA.

And Punisher. to defend th RAF is acceptable but to defend the regiment!!! that is difficult/ stupid. :lol:
 

SILVER_FOX

War Hero
Very bad idea. Whilst we have always had the traditional banter and on principal I feel duely obliged to slag 'em off at every opportunity I get, I agree with the sentiments posted by all those who remind us just how often the RAF have saved the day [standfast the Falklands].

I do however believe they are extremely well staffed. I wonder what the ratio is between the number of airframes and total manpower is. There seems to be an awful lot of people who aren't flight crew and maintainers. :roll:
 

chockhead819

War Hero
Read Sharky Wards book about the Falklands & see what he thinks of the Crabs!!
They had the biggest list applying for medals??????
flew a couple of missions in a vulcan, wasted millions of gallons of av fuel & missed the ******* target!
 

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