direct entry officer eligibility

Discussion in 'Royal Naval Reserve (RNR)' started by goffer, Jul 3, 2006.

Welcome to the Navy Net aka Rum Ration

The UK's largest and busiest UNofficial RN website.

The heart of the site is the forum area, including:

  1. Hi all,

    Just a quick eligibility question for direct entry officers to the RNR, I meet all the academic, nationality and age requirements and whilst at University I was in the URNU for two years. Although this was eight years ago now would I still be eligible for direct entry (obviously after AIB)? I’m aware that the RN website does have a tendency to get out of date so I’m just checking for the latest info.

    I’d also like to go for CIS does anyone know the current recruiting status of this branch or is this defined on a unit by unit basis?


  2. FlagWagger

    FlagWagger Book Reviewer

    Get yourself down to your nearest AFCO for the official line, but also contact your nearest Reserve Unit and speak direct to them. I'm not an expert on occifer recruitment, but I think you'll need to do your basic New Entry training as a JR and pass Raleigh before you start on training for the AIB. Certainly, since you've been out of the URNU for eight years, I'm fairly sure that this experience won't officially count, although from a personal perspective you'll have knowledge of what the wardroom and AIB are looking for.

    All specialisations are now managed nationally by SO1s (Cdr or equiv) assisted by a number of specialised SO2s (Lt-Cdr) and also the COMMARES staff at West Battery on Whale Island. I'm not sure what the current recruitment of CIS officers is like, but if you've got transferrable skills from your civilian employment that would stand you in good stead (in the ratings world, they're currently over-borne, however if some applies with the right skillset they are still recruited).

  3. FlagWagger is correct, your URNU experience won't count at all now for Officer entry - you have to take up the option of joining the RNR within, I think it but stand to be corrected, 6 months, and pass your RNR AIB.

    There is a direct Officer entry scheme in the offing, it was meant to come into force last September but to the best of my knowledge has been suspended, so all you can hope for is be pre-selected for fast track to Officer when you join but you'll still have to join as a rating and go through Raleigh just like every other direct entry RNR.

    There are a couple of other ways if you really don't want to join as a rating, but they're using loopholes in the regs. I would say I'd question your commitment if you weren't willing to do a relatively short time as a rating.

    Specialisations aren't selected until you complete NE as a rating, or pass your Fleet Board as an Officer. This can take several years!!
  4. Thanks for the replies,

    I’m glad I asked as the RN website is rather ambiguous:

    I’m attending a recruitment evening shortly so hopefully they’ll confirm the official line. Incidentally I have no problem joining as a rating if that’s what is required, I’m just researching my options.

    Thanks again,

  5. FlagWagger

    FlagWagger Book Reviewer

    Good call....

    Oooohhhh, now you're spoiling it!

    Speaking personally as a rating in the RNR of some twenty years service, please, please, please spend some time as a JR, do Raleigh and possibly even go away to sea as a rating - it will, IMHO, make you a much better officer.

    I initially wanted to join the RNR as an officer, however I stayed on the lower deck and have no regrets. I've had a fascinating career in communications and now CIS, and have been given plenty of responsibility along with great leadership and personal development opportunities. The RNR has over the last 20 years complemented my civvy job - I seriously doubt whether I'd still been in had I chosen to go into the wardroom when I had the chances.

  6. Sorry, I didn’t mean to sound disrespectful at all, that wasn’t my intention. I understand the point you are making about spending time as a rating first, makes total sense.

    I’m also looking to complement my civvy job as well as give something back to the RNR, my background is software engineering and I’m currently a Technical Project Manager for a mobile telecoms company. With my URNU background I thought a commission would be the way ahead, I now see that this might have been slightly blinkered! I take that there are options for me to use my civvy skills as a CIS rating? What sort of skills would the branch be looking for?


  7. FlagWagger

    FlagWagger Book Reviewer

    First of all, I wasn't having a pop at you over your comment re the Wardroom (well, none more than the usual needle between lower deck and wardroom!).

    As regards CIS ratings, the branch is still in its very early days of development and branch training is still being worked out. I'm currently the assistant to the SO2 CIS with responsibility for the ratings, however I pass this role over to another CPO tomorrow. What are CIS ratings going to be doing in the next 1-3 years? First, you must understand that the C in CIS stands for Communications and the IS stands for Information Systems. A CIS rating must be able to operate and ultimately manage both strategic communications systems (i.e. long range radios), tactical communications systems (short range radios) and information systems (data sent over LANs and WANs that use the platform's communication systems as the bearer). The role can lead to employment for a rating in ships, shore commcens, Forward Support Units and even working alongside the Army and/or RAF in Joint Service CIS roles. As an example of the range of roles available this year, there was an opportunity for people to work in Portsmouth supporing IS systems on a NATO exercise in the US, there is the chance of heading out to Sierra Leone to support a Forward Logistics Unit with supply of CIS services, there's a joint service Command exercise that relies on CIS support from all services, there are a number of RN courses being made available to the RNR to introduce some military IS technologies.

    As regards the training, the Comms element is being taught from existing Comms training material, while the IS element is being "borrowed" from the RN and is being used to reinforce peoples' civvy experience. If you've got strong IS skills in civvy-street, this can be an advantage and allow you to "tick the boxes" quicker which may in turn lead to accelerated promotion.

    WIth respect to whether you're better going lower deck or wardroom, that's a very personal decision. My own path kept me in the lower deck (despite being a professional engineer in the software / systems world with two degrees and more letters both before and after my name than I can shake a stick at!). Basically a rating, junior or senior, will be the person who gets his/her hands dirty doing the job, while in the main the officers job is to manage. There are some jobs in the Officer world that involve hands-on work, however these tend to be in the areas of Intelligence and Information Management (spin!) etc rather than strict CIS. My own view is that I had enough responsibility at work to keep me busy so I chose the practical hands-on role rather than the management role, hence I'm a CPO in the running for WO1, rather than a Lt-Cdr looking for the elusive 3rd stripe!


  8. Thanks for all the info Flags, I’ll analyse it and probably come up with the wrong decision. :D Good luck for the handover!


Share This Page