Destroying Folklore & Myths

Discussion in 'Joining Up - Royal Navy Recruiting' started by Ninja_Stoker, Jun 13, 2007.

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  1. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator


    Having once again heard the pitiful whine of someone who joined the Navy as a Submariner (presumably so as they could get in quick- ie: queue jump), claiming they were categorically assured by the careers office they could simply change branches... You WEREN'T! :cry:

    Please read the bit below which is a copy of your Attestation Form (the bit you sign-on when you join). A copy of this form is given to you when you have your very first selection interview. The red bit is rather pertinent.

    Even if your best mate is already in the Navy & tells you different - do not believe them. :thumbdown:
    [align=right]Form S3049 RN
    Revised DNR Sept 06 [/align]

    Part 5 - Declaration by Candidate Continued

    I certify that:

    a) The Careers Adviser has informed me of the various branches and specialisations that I can enter and that once I have entered there is no possibility of changing my mind and try to transfer to a different branch. However, I understand that the service may transfer me to any branch that assumes the functions of the branch which I first entered. I am content with my branch of choice and have chosen to enter as:

    [align=center]YOUR BRANCH HERE [/align]


    b) The terms and conditions of service in this rank have been explained to me and I understand them. I have not been persuaded to join by any other offer


    Candidate’s Signature Date



    Signature Witness 1 Rank


    Print Name



    Signature Witness 2 Rank


    Print Name


    Part 6 – Final Approval to Serve in the Royal Navy

    6.1 I am satisfied that this candidate meets the requirements for entry into the Royal Navy


    Signature Rank Date


    Print Name
     
  2. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    Also forget any notion of wind surfing etc. That's a myth also, regardless of the pretty pictures in the glossy magazines. :laughing1:
     
  3. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Sorry to destroy a myth from a legend, mate! :pirat:

    RN Windsurfing!
     
  4. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    Fcuk me Ninja, you lot kept that quite didn't you!!
     
  5. It has been a part onRNSA for many years, the info was there for those that looked.
     
  6. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    Maxi, your talking to an ex bootneck, the hieght of cultural reading was the monthly issue of the "Globe and buster" I dont even know what RNSA means. :crazy:
     
  7. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Ha!

    There's that much Adventurous Training (AT) things available, it's actually bewildering where to start to be honest.

    The problem is trying to get the time off to go. You are entitled to 1 week AT per year (Royals too!) according to 2nd Sea Lord's Personnel Functional Standards.
     
  8. Royal Naval Sailing Association whitch includes our nice chums the Booties.

    Open to all ranks with kit and stuff in lots of places round the UK, they even let you in if you are ex.
     
  9. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

  10. Or in Blobbies case could have done. Now as a submariner I just didn't have the time, well thats my excuse and I'm sticking to it.
     
  11. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    That sailing lark looks fun, I only go in a small boat now when I go fishing (unfortunatley not very often) and am usually accompanied by a case of beer and some mates, the look on the "professional" sea fishers faces when the p1ssheads at the back of the boat are having a jolly and catching more than they are is priceless.
     
  12. Hate to p#ss on your bonfire here Ninja, you are entitled to ASK for a weeks AT. I think it's still a Cat B in PFS.
     
  13. They even let ex-RNXS members join... that's how I joined, many moons ago... then again, in my case that may have been desperate for members! :biggrin:
     
  14. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Hence my highlighted comment mate.
     
  15. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

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    May I once again draw newly joined & potential joiners to the very first post in this thread with regard the fact that you must not join-up expecting to be able to transfer to another trade.

    When you sign on, you actually sign a statement to the effect that you may not transfer.

    The reason for this post? Yup, you guessed it?

    Moral to the story? WAIT & join the branch you wish to from the outset.
     
  16. I hope they haven't cancelled water ski-ing off the arse end of a destroyer during sea trials :rambo:
     
  17. Oh yes we were. You ever stop to consider the reason WHY Attestation Forms were introduced and recruiters were required to ensure that everyone signed the buggers? Actually, don't guess, since I worked at the Naval Recruiting and Training Agency at the time I can tell you - because Recruiters were lying through their teeth to get people into the branches that needed them asap, and the NRTA CE was concerned that sooner or later someone was going to get sued. The Attestation Forms worked both ways, they ensured that people knew there was no right to change branches and they were written evidence that Recruiters hadn't offered a branch change after entry as an incentive to join up. Or to be more precise, it effectively ended the practice of recruiters offering branch changes after entry as incentives to join up.

    And if I ever find the RM WOII at my recruiting office in 1989 who cheerfully told me "Yes of course you can transfer to your preferred branch after 6 months service, just sign here please" I will quite cheerfully choke him with the biggest wad of attestation forms I can find.
     
  18. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator


    You clearly have an axe to grind, however there is no point whatsoever recruiting someone into a branch they do not want to join with false promises as they will simply PVR- problem not solved. Doubtless along the way both the recruiter & the recruit interpret things differently. Things have changed, but the recruits still have selective hearing.

    Like you, when I joined in 1981, despite scoring high enough in the Recruiting Test for Artificer, my careers adviser told me to join as an MEM and simply apply to become an Artificer later. It never happened, the swine.

    Or that's what I always told everyone. Fact is I didn't have enough GCE's & failed the Artificer Recruiting Exam, but was advised that if I did well & got a sea recommend (I did) then I could possibly transfer as a mechanician. I was having too much of a good time at sea at the time, so never pushed myself- more fool me, but I no longer blame someone else for my failings.

    The attestation form was indeed introduced to stop people being sued- it was indeed finally written proof that the careers adviser had not issued false promises DESPITE what the recruits still claim to this day. Funny how people still claim the careers advisers promised the world & got them in under false pretences isn't it?

    You seem to think there is a conspiracy to "press gang" unwitting recruits. There wasn't & if you could accept responsibilty for the fact you may not have actually scored high enough for your chosen trade, you'll find there never was.

    What does happen, I'll concede, is you frequently get a well-meaning matelot, not careers trained, who will tell a potential recruit that they knew for a fact that a mate of theirs changed branches - THAT is were the problems arise.
    Edited because my opening sentence didn't make sense. There are those that may say the rest of it doesn't either!
     
  19. There was a mate of mine (sadly leaving the mob) who wanted to join as a clearance diver, now seeing as he was a professional diving instructor fully PADI qualified you would have thought that they would have snapped him up, but in the AFCO he was told to join as a WTR (coincidentally the WTR branch was in dire need of recruiting) and then to branch change to CD. once at Raleigh he applied for Manning Clearance and not surprisingly was turned down. so it does happen
     
  20. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Indeed it does- You'll find the recruiting test score for Diver is currently higher than it is for Writer. Whether it was the case then I couldn't say as it does vary. Maybe when he joined, the diving branch wasn't a direct entry branch as it is now. Maybe when he joined there were sufficient writers in the branch to indicate he could, at that time, transfer but when he applied there weren't. I'm not saying it never happened- just that there are many variables - when all is said & done Jack is notorious for "selective hearing".

    Similarly I've put fully qualified Mechanical Fitters in as Medical Assitants, Nurses in as Engineers or Musicians as that is specifically what they wished to join up as at the time. You can bet your bottom dollar they will say they were "conned" sooner or later.
     

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