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Debate on Sea Cadets funding

The_Jimmy

War Hero
Maybe I should change me avatar from Wavy Navy (I chose it as a mark of respect to the RANVR, RNVR and the brave sailors of the Battle of the Atlantic) to me RAN one, just so no one thinks am in the SCC (RNR).
 

AntC

Lantern Swinger
The_Jimmy said:
Maybe I should change me avatar from Wavy Navy (I chose it as a mark of respect to the RANVR, RNVR and the brave sailors of the Battle of the Atlantic) to me RAN one, just so no one thinks am in the SCC (RNR).
I had assumed that you were SCC.
 

The_Jimmy

War Hero
AntC said:
The_Jimmy said:
Maybe I should change me avatar from Wavy Navy (I chose it as a mark of respect to the RANVR, RNVR and the brave sailors of the Battle of the Atlantic) to me RAN one, just so no one thinks am in the SCC (RNR).
I had assumed that you were SCC.

Bit hard to get to an SCC drill night in UK from Australia :dwarf:
 

stripey588

Midshipman
The_Jimmy said:
stripey588 said:
Ninja_Stoker said:
CdoGunner said:
Having just taken the position of Chair of our local Unit and a little aghast at the funds provided by MoD Navy, ..

Again, unlike the ATC & ACF, the SCC deliberately opted out of central funding of their own volition. I'm a huge fan of the SCC & indeed the Sea Scouts as they provide a huge source of well-informed potential recruits.

Sadly however, very few Sea Cadets seem to routinely gain Duke of Edinburgh Awards, be adequately clothed in smart uniforms, or have sufficient funding to subsidise camps away from their home areas.

It would be very simply remedied were it not for the fact they chose to go their own way & perhaps the time has finally come for them to reconsider their autonomous status.

you are correct ninja, the SCC did indeed opt out of overall MOD (N) control.

it may have been forward thinking way back then, several ATC bases/units have closed to save money recently. as we are not covered by MOD, they cant shut down individual units, as such, as each unit is an individual charity.

but even IF we were under MOD banner, we would struggle. they could shut units willy nilly. our boat maintenance budget has been cut massivley. sea cadets without boats, honest. the kit issue is a problem we tried to sort recently with a petition to the PM, but we were fobbed off. we do not get issued boots or wet weather gear, and asked for first refusal of returned kit before the civvy disposal mob get it, but were fobbed off.

as a marine cadet instructor, our cadets are inspected EVERY parade night, and always look smart. we teach them to wash, iron, and look after their kit, AND themselves.

funding will always be a problem. we tried to get several grants, which the cadets had to pitch themselves, but too many people still think the MOD do fund us, and so grants just dont get issued to us.

we had had 4 lads join the army in the last 3 years, 1 submariner, and a couple of matlots.

we have been homeless for 4 years and have had our last 2 unit inspections in a 12 x 12 at the local resovoir. our marine section recieved a good on the field assessment, and we acchieved a grade 1 (top) for our efforts throught the year (all numbers on paper for the RN inspection sadly)

our local council are being arses about our new building which we have the money for, but want brick, as a wood building would look out of place (its in a TA center grounds, next to a train line, a mobile phone mast, and a mosque).

the SCC merged with the maritime society several years ago, because they had a big bank balance, but this seems to have moved us further away from the RN and more towards the merchant navy.

many staff are funding quite a lot of stuff themselves, in small doses, but it adds up. the lack of support from the goverment, who decided to put £880 million for more CCF (ggggggggrrrrr) in public schools, when the sea cadets are in many tows already pissed us all off, as well as ACF and ATC.

and lastly, with the new H&S rules the SCC has brought in. H&S teams can visit a unit, and inform then of any defects that need fixing, but offer NO ADVICE or FINANCIAL assistance. the unit has to sort it. many buildings are a old, but have done the job for years and are expected to be tip top asap.

we do it because we enjoy it, (technichally, we are all stupid and need sectioning) and enjoy it. sadly, the paperwork, and lack of support from the goverment is depressing.

with all the bad press todays youth get, we have kids doing amazing stuff, off the streets, and achieving qualifications, and what do we get?

CHUFF ALL.

we have the infrastructure, the staff and the kids, just give us the kit to do the job, and stop dishig out money to immigrants, and those belguim free loadig gimp wearig baskets. (sorry lost it there).

we do raise money for our unit, but sadly, living in a very densly muslim area, we also have to break off early when our asian bretheran see soldiers and sailors in uniform (NOT CHILDREN IN A YOUTH GROUP).

right, rant over, lol got lesson plans to sort out (actually ice skating for xmas party).

merry xmas to all.

Mate,

We all love a challenge :thumright: But how do you guys keep going faced with all that BS? Surley the local councils would be right behind you (local youth) I have asked a mate who is in the ANC and he says his local council is 100% behind them as is the case from most councils, in fact his council has just gave him a big cheque.

ANC is funded by the community, and some by the Navy In fact the last federal government gave the ADFC $10million to spend. However I am also told that money hasnt got down to cadet level yet!

I must show him this thread.

Cant you guys split again and go back to MoD (N) funding?

Any way BZ you blokes do a great job for the youth of the country! :thumright: :thumright:

council are behind us, i think, just some jumped up gimp reading the guidance notes, and enforcing them to the max. strange how our £113 million hospital has a porta cabin for non urgent emergencys?

as with most donations from the MOD, much gets swallowed up by HQ,and also takes time to filter down to cadet level, if it does at all.

fater all, some twonk at HQ has to dream up new ideas and paper wasting excersises, just o they justify their own position.

we need a risk assessment for bag packing even! i wonder how you risk assess flag day in our local town??

risks - mob riots by asian youths against cadets.

we wouldnt ever get permission, lol.

i hate paperwork.
 

The_Jimmy

War Hero
we need a risk assessment for bag packing even! :tp:


i wonder how you risk assess flag day in our local town??

risks - mob riots by asian youths against cadets. yerhavinalaugh? right?
 

stripey588

Midshipman
sadly no.

i live in a town that has a very high asian community. sadly, some ot the youths seem offended when we turn out to collect in uniform.

they dont see cadets (children), they see military personel.

have had to call it aday early once due to local cnuts.

its not all bad, last collection day for rememberance day i was amazed at the support from the local asian community.
 

Andy51

Newbie
Yes that is true, but consider that on average to run an SCC unit per year including insurance, gas, water, electricity, etc costs around £40,000-£50,000 per year and that there are around 300 odd units in the UK. £2,000,000 doesn't go very far. In fact it would only be enough to fully fund 40-50 units.

If the money was spread evenly out it would work out at £5000-£6000 per unit. Our unit goes through just about that in fuel for our minibus and boats each season! The cheek of it is we have two MoD boats but we have to pay to maintain them and refuel them.

And if one breaks down we have to wait on average 4-6 months to get an MoD engineer to come out and fix it. You can imagine the frustration that happened this year when one broke down at the start of the boating season! It's been about 3-4 months since it broke and it still isn't fixed. The problem, a split hose, we could replace it but it would void our insurance. So we can't take as many cadets out boating now than we used to. We can only take out roughly 8 cadets per evening now opposed to the usal 12. Now consider we have almost 50 cadets. This season they'll be lucky if they get out on evenings 5 or 6 times.

Back to the main section of this post, one of the main reasons the cadets opted out from being directly linked to the RN is the fact that throughout recent history the government has been trying to scale back the RN and cut down its funding.

If the SCC was still attached to the RN then it would be very likely that there would only be a handful of units left or it would now be non-existant.
 

R12_CV

Lantern Swinger
Ninja_Stoker said:
Again, unlike the ATC & ACF, the SCC deliberately opted out of central funding of their own volition. I'm a huge fan of the SCC & indeed the Sea Scouts as they provide a huge source of well-informed potential recruits.

Sadly however, very few Sea Cadets seem to routinely gain Duke of Edinburgh Awards, be adequately clothed in smart uniforms, or have sufficient funding to subsidise camps away from their home areas.

It would be very simply remedied were it not for the fact they chose to go their own way & perhaps the time has finally come for them to reconsider their autonomous status.
Correct, the Sea Cadet Association (or whatever it was called then) did opt out of RN control soon after the war. In my mind it was a bad decision made by individuals in a paid position heading a charity committee. What type of fool would vote themselves out of a job..?
However, time moves on we have to reap what they sowed. What we have now are around 400 units each getting the getting into their community and each showing the RN as well providing an introduction to potential RN recruits. For the RN to take over now would certainly mean anything up to half the units shutting as not being 'cost effective'. This would include the small isolated units for eg around Scotland as well as the 'less desirabley accommodated' units, regardless of the impact this would have on the cadets and staff alike
 

Scouse_Scribes

Lantern Swinger
Andy51 said:
Yes that is true, but consider that on average to run an SCC unit per year including insurance, gas, water, electricity, etc costs around £40,000-£50,000 per year and that there are around 300 odd units in the UK. £2,000,000 doesn't go very far. In fact it would only be enough to fully fund 40-50 units.
.

As the treasurer of my local SCC unit I am quite interested as to where you figures of £40 to £50k a year to run a unit come from?
 
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