The answer they'll give will be that with better hull availability, 9 T45s was assessed to be the same as 12 T42s, and with CEC, that number could be reduced to an "irreducible minimum" of 8 T45s.DingDong said:Don't knock this, at least it is going to get a debate in the HoC. Lets see how many times Swiss Tony - Des Browne mentions the unprecedented shipbuilding plan.
Will he answer how six T45s can be in the same place as the 12 T42s used to be able??
They're already cutting the steal for no 6 already. T45 doesn't have a CEC, I know this because i've chatted to the Adm who wrote the statement of user requirement.Just_A_Button_Pusher said:No chance of getting 8 T45'sâ€¦ even no's 5 and 6 are problematic. BAE is talking to the Saudis about buying them if Bliars bunch cancel them.
Not yet - CEC was deferred in 2005 by 5 years (needless to say that decision has cost MORE money and now made the whole programme unaffordable)DingDong said:They're already cutting the steal for no 6 already. T45 doesn't have a CEC, I know this because i've chatted to the Adm who wrote the statement of user requirement.
Very perceptive of you... read bold below.Allnightin said:No doubt the bit about "the best shipbuilding programme in almost 20 years" will be trotted out from the government benched. As I have pointed out in other threads, much of that capability was ordered under the Tories and the main Labour ordered items are the 6 RoRos and the 4 LSDAs. The question that really needs to be asked is what will be delivered over the next 10 years - that is where the deferral of FSC really shows up.
source: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200607/cmagenda/ob70226.htmOrder of Business said:Vote Office Bundle - Main Business
1 OPPOSITION DAY (7th allotted day) [Until 10.00 p.m.]
STATE OF THE ROYAL NAVY
Mr David Cameron
Dr Liam Fox
Mr Mark Harper
Mr Gerald Howarth
Dr Julian Lewis
Mr Patrick McLoughlin
That this House notes the assessment of the Governmentâ€™s 1998 Strategic Defence Review that two Future Aircraft Carriers are needed in the post-Cold War world to provide a seaborne base from which British military power can be projected and that a destroyer and frigate fleet of more than 30 ships would be needed to maintain two concurrent medium-scale deployments; views with concern the view expressed by Admiral Sir Alan West, when First Sea Lord in 2004, that the reduction of the destroyer and frigate total from 35 to 25, instead of the 32 promised in the Strategic Defence Review, meant that the country was taking risk on risk; notes with dismay persistent suggestions that six more will be mothballed, leaving an effective destroyer and frigate force of only 19; demands urgent clarification from the Government about its proposal to close Portsmouth or Devonport naval bases and calls upon the Government to provide an assessment of the implications for the long-term strategic vulnerability of the remnants of the surface fleet; sympathises with Admiral Sir Jonathon Band, the current First Sea Lord, that a failure to proceed with the Future Aircraft Carriers, which have still not been ordered though scheduled in 1998 for deployment by 2012 and 2015, would make his position untenable; and calls on the Government to clarify its intention on naval procurement in the forthcoming Comprehensive Spending Review.
As an Amendment to Mr David Cameronâ€™s proposed Motion (State of the Royal Navy):
The Prime Minister
Mr Secretary Prescott
Mr Chancellor of the Exchequer
Secretary Margaret Beckett
Mr Secretary Browne
Mr Adam Ingram
Line 1, leave out from â€˜Houseâ€™ to end and add â€˜notes with approval the Governmentâ€™s very considerable investment in new warship building, including the new Type 45 destroyers, of which two have already been launched, the new Astute class nuclear submarines, the first of which will be launched later this year, and the two Future Aircraft Carriers, which will be the largest ships ever to serve with the Royal Navy; notes that 28 new ships have entered service with the Royal Navy since 1997; views with concern ill-informed and inaccurate suggestions that warships will be â€˜mothballedâ€™; and congratulates the Government for its responsible stewardship of the Royal Navy and Royal Marines during a period of extremely high operational tempo.â€™.
Summary Agenda said:2.30 p.m. Prayers.
Afterwards Oral Questions to the Secretary of State for Defence.
3.30 p.m. Urgent Questions, Ministerial Statements (if any).
Afterwards Opposition Day: (1) State of the Royal Navy; (2) Integrity of the electoral system) (may continue until 10.00 p.m.).