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David Cameron confirms HMS Prince of Wales will be operated by RN rather than sold or mothballed

danny

War Hero
I read his comment on Facebook he said enters service I presume 1 will be mothballed and 1 crewed. The same situation as with the LPDs.
 

ElQuesoGrande

Lantern Swinger
I should imagine one will be at 'extended readiness', if not in refit. Both in commission though, with ships companies (one reduced for the ship at 'extended readiness').

No way could we afford the manpower to fully crew up both. Unless something else was cut.. (For example, 8 x T26's only, with us retaining the original River class as well as the 3 x new ones???).
 

danny

War Hero
I should imagine one will be at 'extended readiness', if not in refit. Both in commission though, with ships companies (one reduced for the ship at 'extended readiness').

No way could we afford the manpower to fully crew up both. Unless something else was cut.. (For example, 8 x T26's only, with us retaining the original River class as well as the 3 x new ones???).

Would 8x26 be enough to provide for 2 carrier groups?
 

Magic_Mushroom

War Hero
Not if the UK wants to retain maritime commitments elsewhere.

To my humble crustacean mind, frigates are the heart of any credible navy (I believe Nelson said something about that!) and T26 the most important ship programme for the RN.

Recent press reports suggest that Army numbers may be reduced further to 65K in SDSR to facilitate upgrades to the RN and RAF. Hopefully this is political acknowledgement that the campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan have resulted in a poorly balanced UK military.

Regards,
MM
 

redmonkey

Lantern Swinger
Book Reviewer
@MM. Yet again you have a finger on the pulse and seem to have a greater understanding than any of the clowns in Westminster
It is a shame you cannot get them to listen.
From what you have said on here and on Arrse I have the idea that you would have made a good RN officer. Tis a shame you turned the wrong way in the careers office ;)

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Magic_Mushroom

War Hero
From what you have said on here and on Arrse I have the idea that you would have made a good RN officer. Tis a shame you turned the wrong way in the careers office ;)

Thanks pink primate! I'll take that as a compliment!

I don't regret turning the way I did in the careers office (although when I joined up, there were separate offices for each service)! However, I do pride myself on trying to remain Joint in outlook and have long genuinely believed that the UK is far better served by a Maritime and Air centric defence policy.

Regards,
MM
 

redmonkey

Lantern Swinger
Book Reviewer
MM. First I have been called that. We do the best we can. Nothing wrong with Joint as we all have different tricks to bring to the party.

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WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
Sometimes reality slaps the government in the face.

We were promised 8 Astute SSN's. That went down to 4, then to 6 and now it's 7.

As for how many T26's, not as many as we want/need but I'm sure a compromise will come in there somewhere.
 

Seaweed

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Nelson's words were in relation to frigates as the scouting accessory to the battlefleet. Today Nelson would be decrying the want of LRMP and AEW (real MODERN AEW like Hawkeye, at a decent altitude and able to manage the CAP). DD/FF are ancillary to the carrier, not an end in themselves - it is the carrier that provides the OFFENSIVE capability. In the modern world, without a carrier there is no war capability - only peacetime odd-jobbing.
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
Its an interesting announcement and I wonder how much of it was run through MOD first - the SDSR is now going to have to work to an assumption of running two CVF which leaves us a deficit of 700 odd crew, and a need to fund it through life, which may not necessarily have been assumed before. What will give in order to do this?

I sense Army cuts coming, and big time.
 

Jellicoe

Badgeman
In the modern world, without a carrier there is no war capability - only peacetime odd-jobbing.

Submarines? Carriers are very powerful tools, indeed I agree the most powerful as long as there are suitable strike aircraft to fly off them, but I think you're being too extreme there.

Also, not really been following it, but surely we're getting someHawkeye-style system? Seems like a v. cost efficient way to get more bang for the carrier buck. (Edit: Didn't think about the whole cats and traps thing. Schoolboy error)
 
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danny

War Hero
Not if the UK wants to retain maritime commitments elsewhere.

To my humble crustacean mind, frigates are the heart of any credible navy (I believe Nelson said something about that!) and T26 the most important ship programme for the RN.

Recent press reports suggest that Army numbers may be reduced further to 65K in SDSR to facilitate upgrades to the RN and RAF. Hopefully this is political acknowledgement that the campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan have resulted in a poorly balanced UK military.

Regards,
MM

The forces might be unbalanced but I'm not sure cutting another 15,000 soldiers is the best way to balance it out.
Obviously that's the cheap way of doing it.
 
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