Dartmouth or RNP? Advice needed

#1
Looking for advice on a career change.
Currently in the process of applying for Logistics Officer role as I want to push myself to be an officer in the Navy, I've found I keep drifting off to the same thought of where it could take me while I'm at work doing some menial task at work so figured rather sooner than later and the lifestyle would suit me down to the ground!

I've done an Army reserves application before and passed selection for Intelligence Corps however an injury put an end to that, so I know I've got the brain cells. My age and UCAS points limit me to Logistics Officer which I'm fine with, looks very interesting having the responsibility of all the laws and bringing aircraft into land occasionally (obviously I don't know all the technical jargon). Is officer all it's cracked up to be? Posh dinners and prancing about or is it hands on and exciting?

I'm also torn between applying straight for RNP as civvie police is nigh on impossible to get into nowadays and the pay in the RNP is great when qualified but is it worth it to be hated and be billy no mates? or does that actually happen?

I've watched all the *ahem* recruitment drive tv docs for HMS Raleigh and Dartmouth but obviously it misses lots out so not sure what it's actually like.

Random question but do officers wear the navy uniform at sea or is it white shirt/black trousers? I'm still trying to gauge what uniforms what.

Any advice would be much appreciated!
Merci
 
#2
Don't worry about the uniform, you've got to get in one yet.

You can have the best of both worlds, RNP have officers as well, you'd have to see an ACLO to see how you do it. The last one I met was a former loggie (and he was a [email protected] :) )
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
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#3
Bonjeur.

Some good Clouseau-esque questions, madam.

Is officer all it's cracked up to be?
Yes
Posh dinners and prancing about or is it hands on and exciting?
All those things, if not more.

the pay in the RNP is great when qualified butis it worth it to be hated and be billy no mates? or does that actually happen?
What sort of money would you be prepared to consider acceptable if it did transpire to be correct?

Random question but do officers wear the navy uniform at sea or is it white shirt/black trousers?
White shirt & black tweeds is a Naval uniform.

Please save a link to this thread if you do join and check it in a couple of years. Bet you a bottle of rum you'll wonder what the hell you were wittering on about :D
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
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#5
The bottom line is that although there is in fact a crossover point with regard the legal advice to Command as a Logistics Officer, the jobs are quite different beyond the administrative aspect.

I'd like to believe the days of class distinction (aka posh dinners, prancing, etc) are not relevant today. A Logs Officer in the action role directs and manages the "internal battle" with regard firefighting, damage control, first aid, etc. The service policeman, depending on rank/rate, steers the ship, works on the flightdeck or helps co-ordinate manpower.

In the peacetime role the service policeman/woman does what it says on the tin. Their popularity depends on the way in which they conduct their business and the attitude of those they deal with. I've yet to hear a civilian criminal speak highly of the person putting an end to their nefarious deeds. The other angle is the maturity of the individual on both sides - military law can be perceived as petty in some quarters and it very much depends on the pragmatism of all concerned.

As stated, we all wear uniforms at sea. There are lots of uniforms.
 

Spare_Rib

Lantern Swinger
#6
Pussers bringing aircraft into land? If you mean as a Flight Deck Officer onboard a frigate or destroyer I'm pretty sure that role went about 10+ years ago? Interestingly, one of the policemen onboard now normally has that role......
 
#7
My recruitment office would beg to differ. Apparently they did it all size boats except aircraft carriers because there's enough personnel to do it.
 
#8
Is there an in depth thread on here about Dartmouth training? The little documentary they produced doesn't show all that much, mostly talking heads.

Also after is passed out as Officer or RNP would it be a case of further training for a year etc before going to sea or would I be lucky to get one such posting? Instead of being stuck on land.
 

Spare_Rib

Lantern Swinger
#9
My recruitment office would beg to differ. Apparently they did it all size boats except aircraft carriers because there's enough personnel to do it.
Ask your Recruitment Office when was the last time one of them went to sea as a Logistics Officer. And boats = submarines. ;)
 
#11
Pussers bringing aircraft into land? If you mean as a Flight Deck Officer onboard a frigate or destroyer I'm pretty sure that role went about 10+ years ago? Interestingly, one of the policemen onboard now normally has that role......
On Leanders perhaps. T23 it's the MAA and the CPO Std/Jack dusty.
 
#12
Is there an in depth thread on here about Dartmouth training? The little documentary they produced doesn't show all that much, mostly talking heads.

Also after is passed out as Officer or RNP would it be a case of further training for a year etc before going to sea or would I be lucky to get one such posting? Instead of being stuck on land.
There's a pinned thread in this very section called "BRNC: All you need to know" which is probably useful. Also a TV show called "BRNC: Officers and Gentlemen" that someone uploaded to YouTube (unless that's the documentary you just mentioned), so while neither will be a true reflection, it's probably the best you'll find.

As for part two, I'm pretty sure both logistics officer and police would go on to phase 2 specialist training for quite some time before you get on a ship for an actual deployment. Though Ninja can confirm or deny.
 

Spare_Rib

Lantern Swinger
#13
On Leanders perhaps. T23 it's the MAA and the CPO Std/Jack dusty.
I remember the baby pusser on a T22 being qualified, but like I said this was 10+ years ago. Definitely doesn't happen now, the pusser is maxed with DCO - you couldn't use him/her as an FDO. And there's no MAA on a T23 anymore, the RPO and one of the PO Caterers are usually the designated FDOs.
 
#14
There's a pinned thread in this very section called "BRNC: All you need to know" which is probably useful. Also a TV show called "BRNC: Officers and Gentlemen" that someone uploaded to YouTube (unless that's the documentary you just mentioned), so while neither will be a true reflection, it's probably the best you'll find.

As for part two, I'm pretty sure both logistics officer and police would go on to phase 2 specialist training for quite some time before you get on a ship for an actual deployment. Though Ninja can confirm or deny.
Excellent thanks, that was the tv show I mentioned but it really only focuses on the recruits background and 'feelings', I'll check out that thread though. I'm applying for Dartmouth but hoping I can keep RNP as backup.
 
#15
I liked the show. Showed me enough to still be happy with going through it.

Though I would have liked to have seen more of the classroom stuff, like what they learn, but oh well. I'll hopefully get that experience firsthand soon enough!
 

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