Daily Mail - Polish workers employed to build new carriers.

digger84

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rely-half-British-rate.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

I have no problem with this story. It’s the good old Daily Mail trying to make a story out of nothing.
It is Labour's fault we have had to resort to hiring foreign nationals, Instead of promoting people to become apprentices in solid trades such as welding, fitting, turning and other solid trades. They tried to get everyone to go to university to study such meaningful courses as Media, Medieval Studies and other pointless courses.

Rant over.
 

scouse

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Re: Daily Mail - Polish workers employed to build new carrie

Makes me sad and angry when i read such articles as this Quote "not enough skilled British workers out there to fill the jobs." Tosh!! there are shed loads of skilled workers ( ex Car,Train,Aircraft, Ship,Steel, engineers) through out the country, that have lost there jobs. Now working in other less skilled, and less paid jobs IE Security,Hospitals Order picking, stacking selves, Etc ,Etc, Ps doing a Norman Tebbit is not practicable, for many of the above, before you say :roll: And being a boss, £8 an hour or £15 pound an hour?? you do the Math .. Luvley Jubley
 

w.anchor

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Re: Daily Mail - Polish workers employed to build new carrie

scouse said:
Makes me sad and angry when i read such articles as this Quote "not enough skilled British workers out there to fill the jobs." Tosh!! there are shed loads of skilled workers ( ex Car,Train,Aircraft, Ship,Steel, engineers) through out the country, that have lost there jobs. Now working in other less skilled, and less paid jobs IE Security,Hospitals Order picking, stacking selves, Etc ,Etc, Ps doing a Norman Tebbit is not practicable, for many of the above, before you say :roll: And being a boss, £8 an hour or £15 pound an hour?? you do the Math .. Luvley Jubley
Nail right on the head :thumbleft:
 

Rumrat

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Re: Daily Mail - Polish workers employed to build new carrie

scouse said:
Makes me sad and angry when i read such articles as this Quote "not enough skilled British workers out there to fill the jobs." Tosh!! there are shed loads of skilled workers ( ex Car,Train,Aircraft, Ship,Steel, engineers) through out the country, that have lost there jobs. Now working in other less skilled, and less paid jobs IE Security,Hospitals Order picking, stacking selves, Etc ,Etc, Ps doing a Norman Tebbit is not practicable, for many of the above, before you say :roll: And being a boss, £8 an hour or £15 pound an hour?? you do the Math .. Luvley Jubley


Yes as you correctly state there are hundreds of people still capable of the required skills, who through necessity have had to re train and even re locate.
"Going back" ie the Tebbit touch, is not a viable proposition.
Two of my friends that are both ex car workers, who have welding skills, (one even retrained into auto electrics), have been forced to retrain again as the work dried up.
The Midlands having lost its car factories and associated industries has turned to a multitude of other industries, and many ex tradesmen do jobs far from their original training.
I cannot see any letting go of the "bird in hand" for what could have been very short term employment, as even as we speak there is speculation of cancellation.
 

danny

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Re: Daily Mail - Polish workers employed to build new carrie

Rumrat said:
The Midlands

This is also a major problem. How many ship yards are there in the midlands? To me you and most users of this site going away from home to work is not a great issue. But to joe civvie it is a big deal. Evn if they decided to move to scotland many people cant currently sell ther houses and move as they would loose out far to much money.
 
Re: Daily Mail - Polish workers employed to build new carrie

Part of the problem has always been a certain snobbery against chaps who work metal and "get their hands dirty". The political and accounting/legal/medical/trading classes (K Clark, P Mandelson for example) have long dismissed "metal bashing" as somewhat beneath us. It seems totally incomprehensible to them that some people enjoy and take pride in working with their hands and learning and using "trade" skills. So what incentive is there for young people to train to be a mechanic, technician or craftsman?

Additionally, we seem to view engineers as somewhere lower in the social pecking order than, say, accountants. This contrasts starkly with the Germans and Japanese who value their engineers.
 

chieftiff

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Re: Daily Mail - Polish workers employed to build new carrie

danny said:
Rumrat said:
The Midlands

This is also a major problem. How many ship yards are there in the midlands? To me you and most users of this site going away from home to work is not a great issue. But to joe civvie it is a big deal. Evn if they decided to move to scotland many people cant currently sell ther houses and move as they would loose out far to much money.

There is also a very clear difference between someone who can operate a spot welding machine on a production line - whose skills are more akin to a computer operator - to someone who welds plate (and often pipe) - holds and maintains his/ her Lloyds (ASME) certificates and is used to earning upwards of £50k a year constructing oil platforms, refineries and ships. The poles' diversified and switched their shipbuilding capacity to build narrowboats, superyachts and leap on the European engineering construction industry circus whilst we "re-trained" We have either lost these skills or the people to more rewarding parts of the world - you can't make a proper welder in short time and Lloyds certainly wouldn't certify one unless they could demonstrate a very high level of competence, that level of competence requires experience - something these Polish welders still have.
 

flymo

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scouse said:
flymo said:
Does that mean when the carriers get binned we can send the Polish back home?
:roll: :roll: FFS a shed load more are comming http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...991/Polish-migrants-returning-to-Britain.html Plenty more of these cars then :wink: DVLA says they can drive in the UK for 6 months, after this period they must register the car in the UK, pay for road tax, insurance and get an MOT

I feel for the 2.4 million who are unemployed knowing that there are over half a million Polish (plus the other entrants from other countries) here working.

From a bloke who is unemployed (acting as a Househusband) and not receiving any benefits.
 

chieftiff

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flymo said:
scouse said:
flymo said:
Does that mean when the carriers get binned we can send the Polish back home?
:roll: :roll: FFS a shed load more are comming http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...991/Polish-migrants-returning-to-Britain.html Plenty more of these cars then :wink: DVLA says they can drive in the UK for 6 months, after this period they must register the car in the UK, pay for road tax, insurance and get an MOT

I feel for the 2.4 million who are unemployed knowing that there are over half a million Polish (plus the other entrants from other countries) here working.

From a bloke who is unemployed (acting as a Househusband) and not receiving any benefits.

You have my sympathy, seriously I think we all appreciate how demoralising that must be and some of us are probably accutely aware that it could happen to us in short time...... However, if it makes you feel better there isn't a hope in hell that you could be doing the work that these skilled industry guys are being brought in to do within the contracted timescales even if you considered yourself a brilliant welder who could piece a Land ROver Chassis together in a couple of hours, we are talking about proper welding in thick steel plate- I'm not suggesting all of the European workers are being brought in for their skillsets, I'm sure in some area's it is all about saving money, but certainly in the engineering arena it is invariably the case. These guys specialise in travelling around Europe fulfilling short/ medium term contracts for big contracting companies with some very specialised skills and many of them are British!
 
You can't moan that the poles are taking jobs if the natives can't fill the vacancies.

Remember all the brit construction workers in Germany in the 80's, they even made a TV show about it. Not many brits complaining that we were over there earning money. POL got it about right a few posts ago, to many people wanting the "I'm important but know fcuk all" approach to qualifications and work than the " I'm a pretty handy person to know".

Having a skill set is so yesterday, who needs to do anything when you can just comment about it be it as an accountant, journalist or burger flipper.
 
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