Cyprus Anyone?

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Only thing Cyprus is good for, is going out on the toon :afro:

Living/working (unless military), is rubbish, the Euro has eaten up most things and the country has become more expensive. After 3yrs, kinda glad I am back in the UK now.
 

Chaz

MIA
Jenny_Dabber said:
Only thing Cyprus is good for, is going out on the toon :afro:

Living/working (unless military), is rubbish, the Euro has eaten up most things and the country has become more expensive. After 3yrs, kinda glad I am back in the UK now.
Then you don't know the Island that well!
 

trehorn

War Hero
hookyh said:
The buzz from my unit is that people wanted to put their names down for it, but knocked the idea on the head once they found out that a certain individual was going to be running the show who (in some circles) has become a joke/anachronism over the last few years and (if the word is correct) would run things in such a way as to cause the trip to consist of largely monotonous training and do things in such a way as to cause general groans and misery whilst doing so.

Hope no-one sees this as an attack on an individual. (It certainly isn't from this callsign's perspective), however in today's climate, (i.e. deployments to FPGRM and the like), constant re-runs of baton handling training and APWT's don't become any less mind-numbing in the sun than at Whale Island. The job has to have foundations in the aforementioned training, but sadly a lack of imagination or acceptance that the job requirements are starting to move on, not to mention deliberate obstructiveness to accept the need for further skill training hampers people who already have those base skills from improving on them and adding to them. When you add to this the fact that many of the more serious commited individuals in the branch are currently mobilised, have been, or are about to be, it's not really any wonder that there aren't too many takers at this point in time.

Maybe the rumoured cutbacks in the reserve forces will get rid of the deadwood and allow for a more dynamic RNR, but only time will tell. One thing is for sure, as long as individuals who don't have, nor never will have any experience of doing the job for real are telling everyone else how things should be done, things aren't going to improve, as those individuals tend to be unwilling to embrace requirement for change, or the need for additional capability, nor appear to accept or understand that if the FP branch is to survive, it has to become (imho) more than security guards with a gun.

This, by the way is not in any respect a rant by me, but is the considered professional opinion of quite a few marines up at Faslane, who believe we can and should be capable of taking up more of this kind of responsibilty from them, thereby releasing valuable marines for more of the kind of work they're trained for. (An example of this being that the marines have mentioned that they want us all to be able to do the job as they do it onboard, including current moves to have us all carry 9mm as well as 5.56). It is a feather in the cap for those who have already deployed in support of the marines that they believe we are good enough to do this, so let's not waste an opportunity to shine further and keep the momentum of what those individuals have achieved going, rather than allow it to stagnate over the next couple of years.

While i'm on this subject a very big BZ should go to the current CPO at Faslane who is doing sterling work in integrating the branch with FPGRM. He knows who he is, as do many in the branch. A QVRM should be in the post in the not too distant future.
I would agree with most of what you are saying there hookyh. Two weeks in Cyprus doing endless baton training and range shoots would be no different to doining it at whale island, having said that, if you gave me the choice of one or the other i know which one i'd choose. with regards to the "certain individual was going to be running the show" (yes i'm sure we all know who you mean) i actually really like the bloke and i think its very short sighted to turn down this ORT opportunity for that reason alone. I'd rather have him than many of the other senior rates i've had instructing me in the AWFP branch. i'd get a bit p*ssed off, as he does, if other senior rates (who in many cases and IMHO appear jealous of his position) kept trying to undermine my authority in front of subordinates. Sometimes its bloody embarrassing watching them trying to score points by quoting the book etc.

I've also heard the rumours about the guys who've been working with the FPGRM. Apparently the RM's are more helpful, pro-active and willing to accept and integrate the RNR than alot of RN my mates have come accross. Apparently the only time they ever had any gripes/problems was when the RN got involved, and there have been some almighty faux pas in the last 12 months.

We do need the branch to progress beyond the sea security guard.
 

soontobe

Midshipman
Trehorn agree with your comments about individuals not taking up the training due to certain individuals who are running it. This individual would however not have been running the training but overseeing it and would have been supervised by one of the regional Warrants, I believe there were to be three or four instructors doing the training.
The individual you are talking about who I know well has a vast amount of knowledge and has always been very approchable in matters relating to the Aw(FP) specialisation it is just the way he tries to put his point across that certain people disagree with.
As to Senior Rates within the AW(FP) specialisation you have to give them time to bed in as many of them have just completed the SPO Managers Course and they themselves are still learning and instructing on weapons may be a whole new ball game to them.
Your comment on FPGRM accepting the RNR Force Protection Teams are correct but not all RN personnel resent or do not accept us. I work with both FPGRM and RN personnel on a regular basis and find both to be understanting of what I do RNR wise and force protection wise.
 

trehorn

War Hero
soontobe said:
Trehorn agree with your comments about individuals not taking up the training due to certain individuals who are running it. This individual would however not have been running the training but overseeing it and would have been supervised by one of the regional Warrants, I believe there were to be three or four instructors doing the training.
The individual you are talking about who I know well has a vast amount of knowledge and has always been very approchable in matters relating to the Aw(FP) specialisation it is just the way he tries to put his point across that certain people disagree with.
As to Senior Rates within the AW(FP) specialisation you have to give them time to bed in as many of them have just completed the SPO Managers Course and they themselves are still learning and instructing on weapons may be a whole new ball game to them.
Your comment on FPGRM accepting the RNR Force Protection Teams are correct but not all RN personnel resent or do not accept us. I work with both FPGRM and RN personnel on a regular basis and find both to be understanting of what I do RNR wise and force protection wise.
Firstly, the comments regarding who was to be running the training was not mine. I only responded to them.

Secondly, the senior rates i was refering to tend to be the old and bold. The newer ones tend to let the SR in question get on with his job.

Thirdly, please read my comments. I said -

"Apparently the RM's are more helpful, pro-active and willing to accept and integrate the RNR than alot of RN my mates have come accross. Apparently the only time they ever had any gripes/problems was when the RN got involved, and there have been some almighty faux pas in the last 12 months".
I reiterate - they were more helpful, not to imply that the RN as a whole were unhelpful, unwilling etc etc, just that the RM's seem to be MORE helpful.

The lads i know who've been working with the FPGRM have been in a while and worked with the RN enough to know that they can be both helpful, but also unhelpful. The fact that they came back and commented how the FPGRM couldnt do enough for them speaks volumes i think.
 

rogerthecabinboy

Lantern Swinger
anyone who fancies a spot of hot weather training can always mobilise to the gulf. i know some peoples "aunties dog has just had a hysterectomy so can't go till at least 2011", but if you put yourself out, you may even enjoy it.

wibble wibble
 

rogerthecabinboy

Lantern Swinger
Just to reiterate, i wasn't getting on here to get stuck into the individual concerned on a personal level. I fully accept that he knows his stuff inside out with regards to 'doing it by the book'. I actually find him strangely likeable on a personal level (or perhaps i'm warped too LOL!?!?). I do however get frustrated by a) his manner in the sometimes pompous way he speaks to people, some of whom may be new to things that go bang and therefore understandably a bit nervous to begin with, and b) The way in which he, perhaps jealously pooh-pooh's anything anyone has to contribute which involves doing anything he is unable to do. A prime example of this would be attempting to prevent RNR personnel from wearing FPGRM's brigade flash. Stuff like that is very petty and doesn't do the man any credit.

I would however, in his defence support the view that there may be be those who are jealous and coveting of his position. I do though believe that 'Jake' (who we all know and love) is the man for the job, and isn't far down the road geographically already.

As my last contribution to this topic, (less it get out of hand) would be to say thankyou to the man himself, as despite the criticisms many of us have had over the years, he's been the one there to get us to the point we are at. No matter what anyone says, he has been the foundation of the branch training-wise and this should not be forgotten. I believe the time is perfect for his (if rumour is true) impending retirement, and for an individual with a little more dynamism and forward thinking to build on the sterling work he has done. Thanks Chief!
 

hookyh

Lantern Swinger
DISCLAIMER!!!

Please note that the above post reply is me (Hookyh), not Rogerthecabinboy. I didn't log him out properly prior to typing (Doh!!!).

Sorry Rog!!!
 

trehorn

War Hero
I can confirm that this has been binned.

Note been confirmed officially yet and i also don't know why.

Gutted. Anyone know any other courses i can go on.
 
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Chaz said:
Jenny_Dabber said:
Only thing Cyprus is good for, is going out on the toon :afro:

Living/working (unless military), is rubbish, the Euro has eaten up most things and the country has become more expensive. After 3yrs, kinda glad I am back in the UK now.
Then you don't know the Island that well!
Oh, I know the Island very well but unfortunately, it's not as good as it was 3-4yrs ago. Love Troodos and the north side but the country doesn't appeal anymore, much more beautiful countries out there, worth going to.
 

Prochnow

Midshipman
trehorn said:
I can confirm that this has been binned.

Note been confirmed officially yet and i also don't know why.

Gutted. Anyone know any other courses i can go on.
1st Aid by the looks of things on here today! :yawn:

Quite how you can drag that on for 5 days though?
 

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