Sorry but have to disagree on that point because it is not a case of defence being expensive but procurement being inefficient. I have first hand experience of purchasing goods for a very senior government department. If I had followed the rules and used the approved supplier I would have been shelling out ten times the real cost for blank CDs (and we went thorugh thousands). In the end because my team had some control of it's own budget we were able to source them at a realistic business rate and "sell" them on to other teams within the department. There is no incentive to be efficient in the civil service, only to be seen to be acting in a manner that seems proper and right. But what do you expect from a democracy that allows political parties to receive "loans" that make no business sense. Time to put those b*st*rds up against the wall. :evil:come_the_day said:Come on boys and girls - defence is expensive!