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Current security alert

janner said:
At the height of the security alert a lot of the shops were closed, I don't believe that the rules changes at all, ie not liquid on the plane (in the passenger space) as someone has already said you only need a terrorist working in one of the shops to pass doctored stuff over to make all of the other precautions worthless.

In reality there are lots of jobs at an airport that if occupied by a terrorist would make the current security restrictions pretty pointless.

Peter
 
Banning anyone who even looks like a muslim from working in these industries would help. I know there are a few that are white nutters who have converted but not that many. The time for pc and liberal nonsense are at an end, the time has come to protect ourselves against this enemy regardless of upsetting them. To make an omlette you have to break a few eggs.
 
Lingyai said:
Banning anyone who even looks like a muslim from working in these industries would help. I know there are a few that are white nutters who have converted but not that many. The time for pc and liberal nonsense are at an end, the time has come to protect ourselves against this enemy regardless of upsetting them. To make an omlette you have to break a few eggs.

What, you mean like Jean Charles De Menezez?? And who will say what a muslim looks like??
 
rosinacarley said:
Really stupid question. Now that you can only take the bare essentials through security at airports, does that mean that you cannot purchase anything in duty free?

Flew on friday. Restrictions only apply to items taken through security. Purchases can still be made in 'airside' shops. WH Smiths etc. where making a killing.
 
Lingyai said:
Banning anyone who even looks like a muslim from working in these industries would help. I know there are a few that are white nutters who have converted but not that many. The time for pc and liberal nonsense are at an end, the time has come to protect ourselves against this enemy regardless of upsetting them. To make an omlette you have to break a few eggs.

And precisely what does a Muslim look like?

Considering some Muslims look quite European, some look quite Indian, some look quite African, and some look quite Chinese we have now banned almost every one in the world from working in airport security, except perhaps the Eskimos, and Hitlers blonde Aryans. Next good idea?

Peter
 
Maxi_77 said:
Lingyai said:
Banning anyone who even looks like a muslim from working in these industries would help. I know there are a few that are white nutters who have converted but not that many. The time for pc and liberal nonsense are at an end, the time has come to protect ourselves against this enemy regardless of upsetting them. To make an omlette you have to break a few eggs.

And precisely what does a Muslim look like?

Considering some Muslims look quite European, some look quite Indian, some look quite African, and some look quite Chinese we have now banned almost every one in the world from working in airport security, except perhaps the Eskimos, and Hitlers blonde Aryans. Next good idea?

Peter

Sorry matey...Eslimo's look a little Chinese...can't have them!
 
Maxi_77 said:
Lingyai said:
Banning anyone who even looks like a muslim from working in these industries would help. I know there are a few that are white nutters who have converted but not that many. The time for pc and liberal nonsense are at an end, the time has come to protect ourselves against this enemy regardless of upsetting them. To make an omlette you have to break a few eggs.

And precisely what does a Muslim look like?

Considering some Muslims look quite European, some look quite Indian, some look quite African, and some look quite Chinese we have now banned almost every one in the world from working in airport security, except perhaps the Eskimos, and Hitlers blonde Aryans. Next good idea?

Peter
So starts with the arab looking buch first, why not?
 
imom1406 said:
There are a 1000 low tech ways to bring down passenger aircraft, Islamic terrorists are strictly low tech and this is why it is difficult to weedle them out. The IRA would seem like a highly technically advanced military super power compared to half a dozen stone age fundamentalists farting about with cleaning products and fertilizer.

But the fact that they take sooo long to plan and carry out their tasks in the name of Allah....peace be upon him (TWAT). Show a lack of support in the wider Islamic community. The back room staff in and around Heathrow for example, inclusding baggage handlers , cleaners etc. are from islamic/asian backgrounds.

So think about it, if cleaners on Airoplanes have access to all its private area and carry cleaning liquids of all sorts. What is stopping them taking down a 747....answer. Loonies don't have that much support, with the exception of the British liberal press!

Although I am not a limp-wristed liberal but a member of the human race, I was a bit surprised by the questionable remark about Allah (however it was intended) which could be offensive to peace-loving Muslims who do not advocate terrorism (i.e. the large majority).

I don't have a problem with anyone taking an aggressive anti-terrorism stance, but let's be careful when making sweeping statements about another person's religion!

If the shoe was on the other foot and you were accused of being a card-carrying member of the NF (or some other right-wing fascist organisation that condoned ethnic cleansing of anyone with a different belief to your own), wouldn't you be offended?

Many Muslims/Hindus/Buddhists/etc. serve in the Armed Forces without any problem. I myself am an Irish Catholic from a Republican family, but that does not make me a member of the IRA!

Do you think that a member of Al-Qaeda (or which ever terrorist organisation is flavour of the month with the security services) is bothered if a Muslim is a victim of one of its own bombs? As someone rightly pointed out earlier; faith and religion are not necessarily the same thing. A person can be religious without being faithful; someone who has faith in an ideology is not necessarily religious.
 
sgtpepperband said:
imom1406 said:
There are a 1000 low tech ways to bring down passenger aircraft, Islamic terrorists are strictly low tech and this is why it is difficult to weedle them out. The IRA would seem like a highly technically advanced military super power compared to half a dozen stone age fundamentalists farting about with cleaning products and fertilizer.

But the fact that they take sooo long to plan and carry out their tasks in the name of Allah....peace be upon him (TWAT). Show a lack of support in the wider Islamic community. The back room staff in and around Heathrow for example, inclusding baggage handlers , cleaners etc. are from islamic/asian backgrounds.

So think about it, if cleaners on Airoplanes have access to all its private area and carry cleaning liquids of all sorts. What is stopping them taking down a 747....answer. Loonies don't have that much support, with the exception of the British liberal press!

Although I am not a limp-wristed liberal but a member of the human race, I was a bit surprised by the questionable remark about Allah (however it was intended) which could be offensive to peace-loving Muslims who do not advocate terrorism (i.e. the large majority).

I don't have a problem with anyone taking an aggressive anti-terrorism stance, but let's be careful when making sweeping statements about another person's religion!

If the shoe was on the other foot and you were accused of being a card-carrying member of the NF (or some other right-wing fascist organisation that condoned ethnic cleansing of anyone with a different belief to your own), wouldn't you be offended?

Many Muslims/Hindus/Buddhists/etc. serve in the Armed Forces without any problem. I myself am an Irish Catholic from a Republican family, but that does not make me a member of the IRA!

Do you think that a member of Al-Qaeda (or which ever terrorist organisation is flavour of the month with the security services) is bothered if a Muslim is a victim of one of its own bombs? As someone rightly pointed out earlier; faith and religion are not necessarily the same thing. A person can be religious without being faithful; someone who has faith in an ideology is not necessarily religious.

Sorry to cause such offense, i do not descriminate in my distain for religion in all it's forms and the pain and anguish it has caused throughout the centuries, particularly the monotheistic Judaic/Christian ones, which includes Islam. Don't get me on the caring Christian God and what man does in his name.

religions of all flavours, probably with the exception of Bhudism (not strictly a religion), have always been used as an excuse by man to persecute one another.

Christian Fundamentalism - America
Jewish radicalism - Isreal
Radical Islam - Worldwide

Also the way that radicalism in all forms stifles thought and debate is dangerous, if i upset a muslim, a jew, a hindu whoever, i am sorry but i do not believe the worlds problems lie in your religions, it lies in better open communications, education and open mindedness. Closing down in a set of religious beliefs can only end in tears.

Just look at creationist theory in the US and how it now has state backing....terrifying.

Question everything, accept nothing!
 
imom1406 said:
Sorry to cause such offense, i do not descriminate in my distain for religion in all it's forms and the pain and anguish it has caused throughout the centuries, particularly the monotheistic Judaic/Christian ones, which includes Islam. Don't get me on the caring Christian God and what man does in his name.

religions of all flavours, probably with the exception of Bhudism (not strictly a religion), have always been used as an excuse by man to persecute one another.

Christian Fundamentalism - America
Jewish radicalism - Isreal
Radical Islam - Worldwide

Also the way that radicalism in all forms stifles thought and debate is dangerous, if i upset a muslim, a jew, a hindu whoever, i am sorry but i do not believe the worlds problems lie in your religions, it lies in better open communications, education and open mindedness. Closing down in a set of religious beliefs can only end in tears.

Just look at creationist theory in the US and how it now has state backing....terrifying.

Question everything, accept nothing!

Whilst also a non subscriber to any of the religious groupings, they are in many ways an essential part of human life. Many do find the need to have such beliefs, and they will persist even in the face of concerted efforts to erradicate them, remeber the resurestion of the Orthodox church in Russia after the demise of the SU.

The problem is far more to do with people using the 'faithful' to obtain power, money and influence which is not justified through general public support. OBL for example only leads an Islamic terror group because he was born a Muslim, if he had been born a Christian he would be leading a Christian terror group.

If you remove religion you will create a vacumn and it's place will be filled with, wait for it, another religion. And that new religion will of course slimter into sects and they will all claim to be the true followers and off we go again.

Peter
 
GCYZ said:
rosinacarley said:
Really stupid question. Now that you can only take the bare essentials through security at airports, does that mean that you cannot purchase anything in duty free?

Flew on friday. Restrictions only apply to items taken through security. Purchases can still be made in 'airside' shops. WH Smiths etc. where making a killing.

Heard on news that flights to USA do NOT allow any purchases airside.
Perhaps now that security status has been downgraded to "mild panic", restrictions may be relaxed.
 
Lingyai said:
Banning anyone who even looks like a muslim from working in these industries would help. I know there are a few that are white nutters who have converted but not that many. The time for pc and liberal nonsense are at an end, the time has come to protect ourselves against this enemy regardless of upsetting them. To make an omlette you have to break a few eggs.

Lingyai,
Your racist remarks are getting tedious. Time to get out your "Oxygen Thief" badge again ???
 
Lingyai said:
Maxi_77 said:
Lingyai said:
Banning anyone who even looks like a muslim from working in these industries would help. I know there are a few that are white nutters who have converted but not that many. The time for pc and liberal nonsense are at an end, the time has come to protect ourselves against this enemy regardless of upsetting them. To make an omlette you have to break a few eggs.

And precisely what does a Muslim look like?

Considering some Muslims look quite European, some look quite Indian, some look quite African, and some look quite Chinese we have now banned almost every one in the world from working in airport security, except perhaps the Eskimos, and Hitlers blonde Aryans. Next good idea?

Peter
So starts with the arab looking buch first, why not?

But very many arabs look like europeans, that is the problem, many of the UK terrorists look Indian, but most Indians are Hindu, and I can pass for a lapsed Sikh. Next you will be suggesting we should exclude people whose eyebrows meet, or have hook shaped noses, or sticky out ears. Perhaps we should look at bumps on the head to identify terrorists or perhaps cast them in the village duckpond and all those who dont drown will be classed as terrorists.

Peter
 
Maxi_77 said:
imom1406 said:
Sorry to cause such offense, i do not descriminate in my distain for religion in all it's forms and the pain and anguish it has caused throughout the centuries, particularly the monotheistic Judaic/Christian ones, which includes Islam. Don't get me on the caring Christian God and what man does in his name.

religions of all flavours, probably with the exception of Bhudism (not strictly a religion), have always been used as an excuse by man to persecute one another.

Christian Fundamentalism - America
Jewish radicalism - Isreal
Radical Islam - Worldwide

Also the way that radicalism in all forms stifles thought and debate is dangerous, if i upset a muslim, a jew, a hindu whoever, i am sorry but i do not believe the worlds problems lie in your religions, it lies in better open communications, education and open mindedness. Closing down in a set of religious beliefs can only end in tears.

Just look at creationist theory in the US and how it now has state backing....terrifying.

Question everything, accept nothing!

Whilst also a non subscriber to any of the religious groupings, they are in many ways an essential part of human life. Many do find the need to have such beliefs, and they will persist even in the face of concerted efforts to erradicate them, remeber the resurestion of the Orthodox church in Russia after the demise of the SU.

The problem is far more to do with people using the 'faithful' to obtain power, money and influence which is not justified through general public support. OBL for example only leads an Islamic terror group because he was born a Muslim, if he had been born a Christian he would be leading a Christian terror group.

If you remove religion you will create a vacumn and it's place will be filled with, wait for it, another religion. And that new religion will of course slimter into sects and they will all claim to be the true followers and off we go again.

Peter

You are absolutely right..in my opinion...which means that religion is an excuse to justify particular sets of behaviours...and it is Man that uses such tribal labels to give themselves a sense of belonging. That is why i challenge them when their aim is to restrict debate and the spread of knowledge. Most religions do this....Christianity in most of it's forms, certainly Islam, Judaism, Hinduism the list is endless....John Lenon got it right!
 

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