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  1. Hi there,

    On detachment with the RAF at the moment and they're insisting I wear these Green CS95 thingies!!

    Need a bit of help in trying to figure out what badges I'm supposed to wear! The RAF have these nice little Purple/Burgandy Patch which I believe is the RAF (Makes sense) The Army have a little Red one. Do we, The Senior Service, have one at all?

    I'm happy with the Union Jack and Royal Navy bits, just not sure about the "Service Patch"

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    DBF :thumright:
  2. Why bother? I thought the whole idea of these green thingies was so nobody could recognise the bosses! If your people know who is in charge does anybody else need to (or is vanity the main problem?)
  3. I see your point safewalrus, and I agree wholeheartedly. No badges would be better than anything, unfortunately the powers that be don't have the same opinion. (You should see some of the greens around here!) I just wanted to show the Senior Service is capable of dressing correctly. I speak to SLOPS tomorrow for further enlightenment. (Maybe!)

    DBF :thumright:
  4. The DIN has just come out detailing the exact requirements for TRF's on CS95's.

    Now if you are an 'AB' you have a coloured Ensign and Royal Navy logo (not even green and black) TRF on your right arm, a 'ROYAL NAVY' badge over your right breast pocket and a 'ROYAL NAVY' epaulette on the rank epaulette centre chest!

    Same for you DBF, just need a Green/Black rank badge on your chest instead of the RN AB's epaulette.

    DIN2007 DIN04-101
  5. TRFs are a load of Army initiated hoop. I'm a crustacean and refused to wear the bloody things during an attachment to the Army last year in a secret sandy location. If someone is wearing RAF/RN rank insignia, why do they need a service TRF? Name badge, union flag and nothing else gets my vote.
  6. Bloody good point! I suppose that it is quite useful if doing flood relief or fire fighting etc in the UK as it raises public profile of the RN or RAf. But if somewhere hot a long way from the public or media...then what is the point? And why add more bits onto your combats to draw attention to yourself??
  7. Stumpy,
    I concur on the peace support/humanitarian aspects, but let's have service badges rather than TRF which Joe public doesn't understand. When with them last year it was a source of constant frustration to me that the Army press releases and statements only ever referred to 'soldiers' or 'troops' when they were heavily supported by RAF and RN (normally FAA aviation). Still, I supose it's no different to the BBC news always referring to 'RAF helicopters' even if they have a big 'ROYAL NAVY' painted on the side!
  8. Hmm... with the Royal Navy chest badge is there even room for a name tape?

    I think if we are forced to wear it, we should navalise it. Branch badges, name tapes, everything.
  9. More fundamentally, are they going to start issuing RN personnel with their own CS95? I always feel sorry for you when you go ooa as many of you seem to be wearing a mixture of worn out and obsolete pattern kit.

    I appreciate you don't have much locker space on your ships for individual issue but you lot are doing more and more ooa on shore bases.

    The RAF used to be the same until around 98 when they started issuing us all with CS95. I even have a full set of desert kit now which, worryingly, I was told to keep after my last jaunt to one of our various cat litter operations.

  10. Cannot speak for those outside CHF, but we all have our own CS95. Many have had for years, doing hard work, hence the worn out look! :thumright:
  11. The TRF isn't aimed at Joe Public, it's supposed to be a discrete method for identifying the parent organisation of the individual. It sounds as if the RN have done the usual effort of kicking the arse out of the suggestion that we have a unique identifier.

    I'd agree with the point above that our rank slides should be a pretty good indicator, so we shouldn't need anything else.
  12. I got mine grat issue when I was working with the army, no questions asked, issued with the lot standfast PLCE.
  13. chieftiff

    chieftiff War Hero Moderator

    I've got my own CS95 in several nifty shades. The problem is it's been turned into advertising space for "corporate identity" rather than mere tactical recognition. I have a 4" round JFH badge on one shoulder, Royal Navy written across my chest and am to have a gucci White Ensign target like affair on my other shoulder. Any more and I start charging the market rate for space.
  14. FlagWagger

    FlagWagger Book Reviewer

    In fact the T in TRF stands for TACTICAL. When wearing CS95, Tactical is a euphemism for being somewhere where muck and bullets are flying thick and fast. Under such circumstances the camouflage capabilities of CS95 should be being emphasised rather than being compromised by the sprouting of myriad coloured patches and badges - the profusion of patches/badges/colours will not only serve as tactical recognition of the RN by our side, they'll also stand out to the bad-guys as a technicolour sand-dune.
  15. Karma,
    I'm aware the TRF isn't aimed at Joe Public and understand some of the reasoning for Army units having them. I just see no point in RAF or RN personnel wearing them unless they're attached to particular Army units (eg 16AA). In those cases, they should be wearing the TRF for that specific pongo group rather than that for their own service. Rank insignia should be sufficient to indicate service.

    Good to hear some of you are getting combat kit.
  16. I'd agree. Actually I think that for the specialist corps the TRF should really identify specialisation rather than corps.

    There is little point in being able to pick out an RSigs individual if, when you're looking for a camera tech, you end up with the stores basher.

    In the RN case again there is little point in just picking someone out as RN, they could quite as easily be a scribe as a communicator, and in the case of an officer do you want a logistician or a Communications warfare officer?

    The concept works for the armour, infanteer, gunner set in the army, it's not ideal for anyone else.
  17. I wear mine with a 'ROYAL NAVY' patch and a RN stable belt. No TRF.
  18. Issue branch badges, red insignia on a blue background, the words ROYAL NAVY in small across the top. Something similar for officers.

    Problem sorted.

    Damn, I should be on the RN dress committee.
  19. :thumright: hi guys, im a serving member who takes particular interest in uniform and how god peoles uniform is so watch out hahahaa.
    the TRF or tactical recognition badge for the RN is infact the RN logo and is worn on the arm 4 inches down from shaulder, a crease should be ironed through it.
    then the TRF RN name tape is worn above the left brest pockect on CS95's, thats smocks, jackets, shirts and goretex jackets.

    the raf also have the same thing going but their TRF is the red, white and blue patch and have a bit RAF name tape on their chest.

    hope this helps, if u need any more info then contact me :)
  20. Never been big on the badge thing.

    Bit of hello!!! - look at me please fire this way!!!!!

    Had a squadron CO once who insisted on the wearing of squadron badges on flying gear. I declined. He asked me why not and in those days QR's only said, squadron badges "MAY" be worn. Not must be. So I didn't.

    When flying in hot spots the white knee boards came out too, then replaced by black, (HBM), ones and white chinagraph leads to write with. I wished not to have knee caps perforated by 9 mm holes!!!!

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