Cryptologic Technician Vs Weapons Engineer

MACH5

Newbie
Before you ask - what Rab said!



ETA - Also just noticed - if you scroll right to the bottom of this page there are lots of CT type posts and threads for you to follow.
I've already taken a look at a lot of these, I just like to gauge both roles, ask specific questions, etc.

Thanks for your help!
 

crash_evans

War Hero
General rule of thumb, if the AFCO is pushing you towards a certain role, there’s something fishy amiss. Similarly, if this is a factor at all (it may well not be, I don’t know you or your circumstances) I believe WE, or at least WESM is still a high priority role whereas CT isn’t. Basically, the wait time might be a little shorter for WE, then again, you never know. At the end of the day, it’s up to you. They’re both vastly different jobs, so think on it.
Far be it for me to be duty broken record. But, if the AFCO are ‘pushing’ you in a direction it is usually because based on your scores you are suited.

Once again, there are NO quota or bonus for signing up people to branches. I have a very close knowledge of RN recruiting and can categorically say this IS NOT true.
 

MACH5

Newbie
Far be it for me to be duty broken record. But, if the AFCO are ‘pushing’ you in a direction it is usually because based on your scores you are suited.

Once again, there are NO quota or bonus for signing up people to branches. I have a very close knowledge of RN recruiting and can categorically say this IS NOT true.
I'm quite glad to hear that. I was told that most people don't make it past the RT. That combined with the fact that he really talked up the role, I was thinking he was trying to meet some goal. I couldn't help wondering if he genuinely thought it was a great choice or was just overselling.

Knowing what you've just told me, I'm now thinking CT sounds great. That being said, I haven't asked him as much about WE.

As for waiting list, I know a CT application will take a lot longer, but this is no concern of mine. I'm currently at uni and won't be finishing until 2023.

Thanks Crash!
 

Wookie42

Midshipman
Far be it for me to be duty broken record. But, if the AFCO are ‘pushing’ you in a direction it is usually because based on your scores you are suited.

Once again, there are NO quota or bonus for signing up people to branches. I have a very close knowledge of RN recruiting and can categorically say this IS NOT true.
I would totally agree with that. I spent 2 years in a very senior role in Naval recruiting and can assure you that the Careers Advisers are there to help, not simply to put square pegs in round holes to make the numbers. It is true that I used to have targets to meet to increase the number of Gains to the Trained Strength, and those targets, especially the shortage branches, were regularly communicated to the AFCOs, but at no stage were the individual offices ever given specific targets by branch. Furthermore, that phrase, Gains to the Trained Strength, is the key. The CAs would not push someone in any given direction unless they felt there was a very good chance that they had the necessary skills to complete training and join the fleet.
 
@MACH5 I'm a CT, been in a good few years now. Happy to take questions. The job is changing from what it use to be, our branch is growing, we are now cap tallied to ships, meaning we do part of ship (cleaning and anchoring etc): soon to be expected to keep gangway (holding a rifle on top deck getting a tan, even when it is raining). We are pretty much required on most (bigger) sea going platforms. Subs are a thing, not a specialist though, so any CT can do it. Lots of sea time, also lots of shore drafts too. So you can get a unique career, no two CTs have really done the same career. Training pipeline is quite long compared to some branches (however I expect engineering is probably longer). However you get promoted at the end, so that is a big win. Things change fast but the next promotion after that shouldn't take too long either. It is sold to everyone as a super nerdy branch, where you need to be super clever, but it mainly involves hardwork and a decent amount of revision but nothing ridiculous. Picking engineer will get you real life quals, whilst CT gets you a BTEC for BT.
 

MACH5

Newbie
@MACH5 I'm a CT, been in a good few years now. Happy to take questions. The job is changing from what it use to be, our branch is growing, we are now cap tallied to ships, meaning we do part of ship (cleaning and anchoring etc): soon to be expected to keep gangway (holding a rifle on top deck getting a tan, even when it is raining). We are pretty much required on most (bigger) sea going platforms. Subs are a thing, not a specialist though, so any CT can do it. Lots of sea time, also lots of shore drafts too. So you can get a unique career, no two CTs have really done the same career. Training pipeline is quite long compared to some branches (however I expect engineering is probably longer). However you get promoted at the end, so that is a big win. Things change fast but the next promotion after that shouldn't take too long either. It is sold to everyone as a super nerdy branch, where you need to be super clever, but it mainly involves hardwork and a decent amount of revision but nothing ridiculous. Picking engineer will get you real life quals, whilst CT gets you a BTEC for BT.
If you work on a sub are you limited to that for a long time? It's something I'd like to do at some point given the opportunity but wouldn't want to be stuck on subs through my career.

You talk about specialisms. Do you have any info about the specialisms within the CT branch?

What is 'BT'? Do the qualifications and opportunities for CT after the RN pale in comparison to engineering? I heard it opens doors to the SIS and GCHQ, not sure how true this is.

Also, I've been asking this to a lot of people. Do you enjoy your job?
 
I am lucky, I wanted to work in cyber from the get go and that's where I went and I have remained in that area.
I've been to sea and got to do some pretty good deployments too, Iran/Russia/Med.
Overall I really like the job. Hard question to answer that though as there are so many variables.
I have a lot of mates who applied as it was sold to them as they will be James Bond and it just isn't that.
Lots of people dropped out going through training as it wasn't for them and they all had their reasons, clearance is a big one, aptitude is another, also the whole 'is the grass greener somewhere else' plays a part too.
Problem with the branch is at the AFCO, people get told 'you scored great you can do whatever you want' so people always worry they have chosen the wrong thing.
When I said BT I meant British Telecom.
Our job is massively varied when it comes to specialisation and it changes a lot, so language, ELINT, cyber, Signal Development, also having your clearance opens you up to a lot of opportunities that aren't CT but more clearance specific, I am always learning of new stuff we can potentially do from friends in the branch.
The fast promotion is also a good thing (some branches can spend 5/6+ years getting LH. We are generally fortunate.
Once you complete your two and a bit years training, then get promoted to LH you should have a rough idea about specialisations and this is when you have the opportunity to go specialisation hunting if you so wish.
Just have an idea what you want to do, speak with CTs who have done that thing etc they can steer you well. Then when it comes to time to choose speak with drafty (the boss guy/gal that picks where you go) and be clear, he has quotas to fill but if you want something that he currently has available or will have in the near future, you will most likely get it.
We work in and with all sorts of government partners and do all sorts of work, so yes that is true.
In regards to subs, if you get on one you'll complete various training to do the draft, and there's a chance that drafty might not let you walk away after just one stint. I do know lads that have jumped on and off for three months and never done it again. I know lads doing longer.
The difficulty of explaining things to people just joining is not everyone can do everything all the time. Especially when certain roles come with lengthy training packages.
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
//Thread drift!//

I started CT course when it was new and mostly language orientated having passed a week of aptitude tests at SCT Leydene. The language learning was very intense. I had a medical problem which made me miss a couple of months of the course and on my return they very generously offered me my place back. However, I was just too far behind and so had to come off course. I frequently wonder 'what if' as it was very 'interesting'.

Some years later on a sneaky run, one of the guys from my course came onboard my boat to use his skills!

//As you were//
 
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