Court wig tradition to end

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  1. Another way of destroying our history me thinks. How far are we gonna go in this once great nation before we become a joke!
  2. Whaddya mean "before" willy? Tradition and history have their place but never forget: change is inevitable. I once heard a flag officer say that and when quizzed "why" he couldn't answer apart from saying we must change. Personnally I am not against it as long as there is a good reason - cost is not a good reason.
    I went on a court visit once and the judge that gave the talk and walk said that criminals like them to wear wigs. It is somehow proper.
  3. I don't fear change but at some point as a nation we must stand up and be counted before the "nanny state" and "do gooders" take our history and traditions away in all aspects of our lives/jobs/lifestyles
  4. Judges dressed in wigs used to sit in judgement on Drag Queens dressed in wigs... etc etc.
    It is the coat of arms above the seat, not the person who sits in it that is important.
  5. will put this lot out of business then... :afro:

  6. I disagree, the whole set up, INCLUDING the wearing of wigs, is part of the tradition and "feeling" of the court system.
    Yet more dumbing down, the lowest common demoninator wins again.
    "Cool Britannia" ?
  7. Having been astounded by some of the verdicts reached by the judiciary lately i have no objection to them taking off the wigs, perhaps it will help cool the brain beneath and ensure more sensible verdicts are arrived at.
  8. Less maintenance= more focus....where's me hairdryer....[​IMG]
  9. Well I'm against it only because it would stop me from having a bloody good laugh every time I see them walking along in wigs,fur trimmings and ladies high heel patent shoes.
    got an American lawyer friend and he said any 3rd year USA law student was better than our lawyers as we live in the past.
    EXCEPT in tax,corperation and shipping law where we are by far the best.
    Saw a judge coming out of court once, a small boy aged about 3 was fascinated by his gown and went o touch it,the nearby cop roughly pulled him away shouting to the kids mother that no-one was allowed to touch a Judge!
    Tossers,incidently he was going to his fav.eating place for lunch..23 miles away! as if there wasn't a decent place in Newcastle! off he went with all police escorts in tow.Court adjourned for two hours.
    I don't care about dress but they live as kings and pass sentences like queens as most of them are.
  10. Seafarer, your American friend sounds like a total wanker mate. Tell him from me to fuck off and stick his/her far too large head on a train line, ta!

    Nice to see that you laugh at British tradition too. Had a "cracking good laugh" at any Guardsmen lately mate?
    Must be so funny to watch those idiots in their "Old Fashioned" bearskins, eh ;)

    And lets not forget the Scottish Regiments.....
  11. I take your point but, lawyers are only tradesmen, plying their trade for you to take up, and a highly paid trade at that; it is their tradition, not the tradition of the nation as a whole.
    What you really need is someone who can do the job; what they are wearing is neither here or there.
    The 'feeling' of the things is not the point when you are paying someone; what you want them to do is win.
    I think that much incompetence may have been hidden under those wigs in the past.
    RIP Derek Bentley.
  12. So a Policeman only needs a warrant card and not a "silly" uniform?
    What about us servicemen?
    Bit silly having a dress uniform really, lets all wear overalls to parades :D
  13. Lamri, I think you summed that up rather nicely. How long, incidentally, before there's a Joint uniform, purple of course, modelled on Star Treck? Now that would do away with any notion of fuddy duddy tradition.

    I suppose the argument is that the pikey retard or the minority effnik is intimidated by a bit of tradition. Can't go frightening the scallies, can we.
  14. I'm quite happy to see them lose the tradition of the white wig, if only they'd bring back the tradition of the judicial black cap.

  15. With wigs being retired from civil court cases we'll have to start a fund to rescue them from destruction and let them spend their dotage in comfort in the wilderness. Perhaps we should call it the:

    [align=center]Rosiecarley Rest Home for Court Wigs[/align]

    I do feel sorry though for The PO Stoker. What's he going to use to keep his thermos of hot tea extra warm in Winter, now that he can no longer purloin his wife's tea cosy... I mean wig? o_O
  16. This is a bit surreal really. Barrister's wigs are still used in Hong Kong 10 years after the handover!

    The commies didn't interfere with the wig wearing!
  17. nope! I don't know anything about the law,just repeating the remarks he made and looking at all the child molestors and hit and run killers that judges have let off with a warning.
    3 strikes in the states and your put away,here you can get warned a hundred times, judges/magistrates are the cause of it and old folk are frightened to leave the house. Time blinkered people woke up to the facts and modern times.
    Actually you could not be more wrong,I love tradition,all books I read are history and in particular the Royal Navy of the wooden warships.
    I'd never laugh at a serving soldier/Sailor etc to suggest it isn't really worthy of a reply.
    If you think judges look great as they do,I don't and prefer the aggressive approach of USA lawyers to our old boys barrister network.
    We''ll just have to differ,but don't say I laugh at serving personnel.
    I served long enough to admire them beyond belief.
  18. Seaweed

    Seaweed War Hero Book Reviewer

    Magistrates work within formal guidelines handed down to them from above, and precedents set where other magistrates' sentences have been appealed. Their hands are therefore very much tied as regards sentencing. If they consider a crime merits a sentence beyond their very limited powers then they have to send the case upstairs to the Crown Court for sentencing - they result of which may or may not reflect what they had in mind.

    Judges in turn are constrained by Appeal Court precedents, and by guidance from the Lord Chief Justice.

    Concerns about inadequate sentencing in general are constitutionally a matter for Parliament but in practice it is what the Govt decides which controls matters, as it has such a huge majority so that these days Parliament is its poodle.

    Individual cases of over-lenient sentencing can be referred to the Court of appeal by the Attorney General - if he will do this.

    Joe Public has only his MP to turn to, who has other matters on his mind.

    Criticising what happens without understanding the system gets nobody anywhere.
  19. chieftiff

    chieftiff War Hero Moderator

    Criticising a system that apears to be fundamentally flawed when you are powerless to rectify it does however make you feel just a little bit better angry9:

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