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Corona Virus

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
Sadly, we now know someone who has contracted C19. He is elderly and was taken to Belgium (he's a Scot, she's Belgian, they live in Spain) as they had never taken out Spanish Residency, despite having lived here for 20 odd years and being (age) entitled to do so. He has last stages Alzheimers and on arrival in Belgium the Doc took one look at him and sent him to hospital awaiting a care home place. Care home became available and he moved in there a couple of weeks ago and BANG, tested positive yesterday. Now the wife has been tested and won't know until Tuesday. She is already very upset and now this, not to mention probably being stranded in Belgium. They have no family.
 

Andy_Cap

War Hero
Sadly, we now know someone who has contracted C19. He is elderly and was taken to Belgium (he's a Scot, she's Belgian, they live in Spain) as they had never taken out Spanish Residency, despite having lived here for 20 odd years and being (age) entitled to do so. He has last stages Alzheimers and on arrival in Belgium the Doc took one look at him and sent him to hospital awaiting a care home place. Care home became available and he moved in there a couple of weeks ago and BANG, tested positive yesterday. Now the wife has been tested and won't know until Tuesday. She is already very upset and now this, not to mention probably being stranded in Belgium. They have no family.
Oh dear terrible news SB bis wife just be frantic with worry
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
Oh dear terrible news SB bis wife just be frantic with worry
She is. I'm toying with the idea of offering to drive her car, which she left here, up to Ostend to collect her once he goes. Depends on the travel restrictions - she hasn't got the bit of paper you need to get into Spain if they lock down any further.
 

huwshpis

War Hero
Very sad, S-B. Will you be able to make your mercy dash, there's a lot of driving there?

As an aside, I was driving to Wiltshire last Wednesday, the only obvious restrictions were caused by turning the M4 into a smart motorway, no shortage of traffic.
 

Andy_Cap

War Hero
Did our weekly shopping run to the supermarket early this morning (the only time we leave the house ) not a roll of Toilette paper to been Seen same with pasta and rice.
FFS what is wrong with these people ? Can't get my mind around the logic behind the way they think.
 
Did our weekly shopping run to the supermarket early this morning (the only time we leave the house ) not a roll of Toilette paper to been Seen same with pasta and rice.
FFS what is wrong with these people ? Can't get my mind around the logic behind the way they think.
Simples init...ya can't fix stupid! Arguably the most rampant disease afflicting the planet today....
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
Sad , but unfortunately a sign of our current times, condolences to his wife.
Sad news. Hope bis wife is OK .
Very sad, S-B. Will you be able to make your mercy dash, there's a lot of driving there?

As an aside, I was driving to Wiltshire last Wednesday, the only obvious restrictions were caused by turning the M4 into a smart motorway, no shortage of traffic.
Thanks all. She sent us a short email this morning and asked us not to phone her. It's a bit hurry up and wait, but he was a great guy. He has a photo of his father and pals taken on the day the RFC became the RAF! He was a Master Mariner.
 

Dredd

War Hero
Super Moderator
Interestingly, I saw a thing recently that pointed out that the term "cases" should be taken with a pinch of salt, especially if that is being equated with "positive test".

Putting the argument of "with, not because of" aside for a moment, fatalities are a given number. As are "admitted to ICU". But when we simply state "case" and "dead", we are not being told "hospitalised" or "critical care".

So, knowing some of the characteristics of the Wu-Flu now, how many of those "cases" are simply "tested positive" and have not developed any symptoms at all, or only just been unwell?

And so, why are we all acting scared of the "cases" number?

It would be the same as telling us how many have died of cancer, then tell us how many people have reported having a lump. One does not necessarily lead to the other, and we don't act as if it does. So why are we still stirring the panic?

And while on the topic - are we sure that the basis of the "cases" is not simply "number of positive tests" - note, NOT number tested positive. I know from experience that the test is not done just once even if you do find a positive result - it is repeated. So there could be another inflation of actual numbers being implied here.
 

Sumo

War Hero
Interestingly, I saw a thing recently that pointed out that the term "cases" should be taken with a pinch of salt, especially if that is being equated with "positive test".

Putting the argument of "with, not because of" aside for a moment, fatalities are a given number. As are "admitted to ICU". But when we simply state "case" and "dead", we are not being told "hospitalised" or "critical care".

So, knowing some of the characteristics of the Wu-Flu now, how many of those "cases" are simply "tested positive" and have not developed any symptoms at all, or only just been unwell?

And so, why are we all acting scared of the "cases" number?

It would be the same as telling us how many have died of cancer, then tell us how many people have reported having a lump. One does not necessarily lead to the other, and we don't act as if it does. So why are we still stirring the panic?

And while on the topic - are we sure that the basis of the "cases" is not simply "number of positive tests" - note, NOT number tested positive. I know from experience that the test is not done just once even if you do find a positive result - it is repeated. So there could be another inflation of actual numbers being implied here.
I think cases are higher than before, March, due to o much more testing, e.g. blanket testing of students with or without symptoms, found about 80% of those that tested positive, had no symptoms, hence would never have been detected a few weeks ago?
 

fishhead

War Hero
Coloured maps such as that in Post #1,874 should be treated with caution. An outbreak at a University(say) campus can skew the figures for a whole area which is otherwise has a quite low infection rate. Also the size of a county or area can either flatter or hide the seriousness of the infection rate.
Statistics as a tool for displaying what is happening should mostly be viewed with a peg on your nose as none of them ever tell the whole story.
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
Agreed! Cinc Nag Home has become a wee bit obsessed with the maps, the numbers and the constant 'pings' from some app or other. Mind you, she is at risk.

This has not been helped by some of the locals saying that KNOWN positive family members have gone into work as they need the cash...... :oops:
 

Wightsparker

War Hero
Coloured maps such as that in Post #1,874 should be treated with caution. An outbreak at a University(say) campus can skew the figures for a whole area which is otherwise has a quite low infection rate. Also the size of a county or area can either flatter or hide the seriousness of the infection rate.
Statistics as a tool for displaying what is happening should mostly be viewed with a peg on your nose as none of them ever tell the whole story.
That is correct. The Isle of Wight has a pretty low infection rate, but it has almost certainly been skewed upwards because of IOW university students at mainland universities. The infection rates, I understand, are worked out on the basis of where people are registered with GPs.
 
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