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Confirmation of what we old farts have been saying for years

slim

War Hero
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...se-slang-text-message-speak-school-tests.html

So do we blame the kids? or their Teachers?


Two-thirds of teachers allow children to use slang and text message speak in school tests
By Laura Clark

Teachers report that their biggest headache is mobile phone text language
Almost two-thirds of teachers allow children to get away with using slang expressions in tests, a survey has found.
Staff are increasingly accepting of slang and text-message speak in the classroom and do not even always mark children down when it creeps into exams.

Teachers report that it is now widely used in lessons, essays and coursework, including phrases such as innit, wicked, phat, gr8 and well bad.

One said the worst example of slang he had ever come across was 'Hitler was majorly bad'.

But only a quarter of staff believe the use of slang in an exam should always count against students. Sixty per cent sometimes allow it, depending on context.

The survey, conducted by Teachers TV, showed that even questions on Shakespeare are not immune from slang treatment.

Essay answers included the phrases 'Macbeth, he is well wicked' and 'Macbeth was pure mental'.

But teachers report that their biggest headache is text language. One pupil wrote in a piece of work 'I noe u dnt noee mii, I donno huu u r', which translates as 'I know you do not know me, I don't know who you are'.

One respondent said: 'Pupils had forgotten how to write as they spent so much time texting.'
Another remarked: 'L8 should be on a mobile, not in an essay for GCSE. They don't know when and when not to use it.'
A third said: 'I see "u" for you and "dat" for that. Actually I've even seen these in third year degree assignments sadly.'
Fifty-nine per cent of survey respondents said they usually understood children's meaning.
More than three quarters know 'vanilla checkers' is slang for 'boring clothes', more than half know that 'klingon' means a younger sibling and nearly half say they know that 'phat' means 'great'.
Almost a third acknowledge to pupils that they understand their slang while 22 per cent pretend they don't know what children are saying.
Teachers have allowed pupils to use slang and text message language in school tests
Andrew Bethell, chief executive of Teachers TV, said: 'Pupils are increasingly communicating through colloquial language in the classroom, with some teachers accepting this as the norm.
'The poll has highlighted that in some cases this choice of language allows pupils to be expressive.
'However the correct use of grammar is vital if education standards are to be maintained and improved.'
The poll also revealed that more than half - 55 per cent - of teachers believe grammar standards are worsening and only nine per cent believe they are improving.
A chief examiner for the Assessment and Qualifications Alliance exam board caused a storm this summer when it emerged he gave a pupil marks for writing 'f*** off' in a GCSE English exam.
The student was given two points by Peter Buckroyd for spelling the expletive correctly and conveying a meaning.
The pupil had written the obscenity in response to the instruction: 'Describe the room you're sitting in'.
 

tiddlyoggy

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Too angry to respond! Why should I bother correcting my son's English if schools can't be arsed?
 

slim

War Hero
tiddlyoggy said:
Too angry to respond! Why should I bother correcting my son's English if schools can't be arsed?

Because as a parent you will want your child to have the best possibilities in life. If that means teaching him/her how to speak and write correctly then so be it :thumright:
 

mattbea

Banned
My two nieces and little brother are all at my house today, and they can certainly spell but behaviour can be a massive problem when they have been to school and come home... I think discipline is the key to most problems which kids KNOW they cannot be punished proficiently
 

slim

War Hero
mattbea said:
My two nieces and little brother are all at my house today, and they can certainly spell but behaviour can be a massive problem when they have been to school and come home... I think discipline is the key to most problems which kids KNOW they cannot be punished proficiently

In some respects Matt you are right. Unfortunately the PC brigade have destroyed and discipline that was in schools and the kids all seem to know that they cannot be touched or even in some cases shouted at.
Old style discipline was overused, I was frequently canned by the religious instruction teacher for bad handwriting (my handwriting is still bad). However I believe that the cane should have been retained as punishment in some cases (thieving, bullying, malicious damage etc.).
 

Moomin

War Hero
mattbea said:
My two nieces and little brother are all at my house today, and they can certainly spell but behaviour can be a massive problem when they have been to school and come home... I think discipline is the key to most problems which kids KNOW they cannot be punished proficiently

I have to agree and disagee with you on this. My daughters go to an Independent school, as the local state school is soooo bad. Independent schools still have to stick to the 'you can't touch them' type rules but there isn't a badly behaved child in the school. They are taught manners, and expected to use them and if they break rules the school drag the parents in and have words. So whilst I think schools are to blame for a good bit of the problem, sorry but parents cannot escape responsibility for their oboxious children.
 

(granny)

RIP
Book Reviewer
Re: Confirmation of what we old farts have been saying for y

For parents... 'As you sow, so shall you reap'. I don't know who, apart from me, said it!!
 

AuldYin

Badgeman
Re: Confirmation of what we old farts have been saying for y

As a college lecturer (in Business and Management Studies), my colleagues and I unfortunately see this all the time. Students' spend years at school where spelling and grammar isn't corrected and they are allowed to write in text speak. We have to spend a lot of time correcting this when they submit assignments and reports. Unfortunately they don't see it as important and cant accept why we wont let them write to employers and Universities using text speak.
 
I refuse to answer texts and PMs on Facebook from people who cannot use the Queen's English. Or I will start my reply with something suitably grumpy about my inability to read gibberish as I had a grammar school education! Never works mind, they just think I am an old fart!
 

Guzzler

War Hero
Re: Confirmation of what we old farts have been saying for y

slim said:
mattbea said:
My two nieces and little brother are all at my house today, and they can certainly spell but behaviour can be a massive problem when they have been to school and come home... I think discipline is the key to most problems which kids KNOW they cannot be punished proficiently

In some respects Matt you are right. Unfortunately the PC brigade have destroyed and discipline that was in schools and the kids all seem to know that they cannot be touched or even in some cases shouted at.
Old style discipline was overused, I was frequently canned by the religious instruction teacher for bad handwriting (my handwriting is still bad). However I believe that the cane should have been retained as punishment in some cases (thieving, bullying, malicious damage etc.).

Did you ever get canned for poor spelling slim? :thumright:
 

slim

War Hero
Re: Confirmation of what we old farts have been saying for y

Guzzler said:
slim said:
mattbea said:
My two nieces and little brother are all at my house today, and they can certainly spell but behaviour can be a massive problem when they have been to school and come home... I think discipline is the key to most problems which kids KNOW they cannot be punished proficiently

In some respects Matt you are right. Unfortunately the PC brigade have destroyed and discipline that was in schools and the kids all seem to know that they cannot be touched or even in some cases shouted at.
Old style discipline was overused, I was frequently canned by the religious instruction teacher for bad handwriting (my handwriting is still bad). However I believe that the cane should have been retained as punishment in some cases (thieving, bullying, malicious damage etc.).

Did you ever get canned for poor spelling slim? :thumright:

No but I was never much good at it!
Certainly helps to have a spelling checker which doesn't know the difference between caned and canned. :thumright:
 

Ballistic

War Hero
Re: Confirmation of what we old farts have been saying for y

AuldYin said:
As a college lecturer (in Business and Management Studies), my colleagues and I unfortunately see this all the time. Students' spend years at school where spelling and grammar isn't corrected and they are allowed to write in text speak. We have to spend a lot of time correcting this when they submit assignments and reports. Unfortunately they don't see it as important and cant accept why we wont let them write to employers and Universities using text speak.

Please tell me I'm biting
 

Cardisoma

Midshipman
Re: Confirmation of what we old farts have been saying for y

I've been a secondary teacher since leaving the military and the pupils think I'm unreasonable because I don't accept "text speak" or slang in their work. Unfortunately I think the problem goes deeper than that, however. In the UK the standard of English language and spelling has been going down for years. The thinking was that they "should be allowed to express themselves without the constraints of formal spelling and grammar" (I was actually told that by a headteacher at one school, when I commented on standards!)

I now work in an international school and to be honest the standard of English from non-native speakers tends to be better than the majority of the British students.

Don't blame all teachers though. There are still some of us who try to maintain standards, but we are swimming against the tide. Standards are falling generally (you only have to look at the BBC, once the "Gold Standard" - hence the expression "BBC English" - to see that. How many grammatical and typographical errors do you find on their website, for example? Listen carefully and you can hear Lord Reith spinning in his grave) and the general attitude seems to be "who cares, it's close enough".
 

AuldYin

Badgeman
Re: Confirmation of what we old farts have been saying for y

Ballistic said:
AuldYin said:
As a college lecturer (in Business and Management Studies), my colleagues and I unfortunately see this all the time. Students' spend years at school where spelling and grammar isn't corrected and they are allowed to write in text speak. We have to spend a lot of time correcting this when they submit assignments and reports. Unfortunately they don't see it as important and cant accept why we wont let them write to employers and Universities using text speak.

Please tell me I'm biting

Sorry, but that was due to typing in a rush (which is not really an excuse), however can't and won't are the only 2 errors as the others are correct in this context. (Although I'm sure Lyn Truss may disagree)
 

NZ_Bootneck

War Hero
As per usual the Wail has a pop at Teachers who have responsibility for a child for at most 6 hours a day five days a week in term time, 30 hours a week.
Who is responsible for the other 138 hours in the week?
Surely not the parents who might instill a little spelling, grammar and reasoning ability into their children's minds, if it wasn't for the soaps, social networking sites and pub time that might be missed.
I used to volunteer to take children in my daughters class for extra reading, until I asked one "Do your Mum or Dad read to you or listen to you read at bedtime?' "No" he replied "She's too busy playing WarCraft.", I continued for the remainder of the term then begged off.
How a parent can know that their child needs help with their reading but not help them is in my mind negligence, the fact that this woman is pregnant again fills me with pity for the poor sods.
 
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