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Confirmation of Training Pipeline

Sparkasaurus

Badgeman
Hi all, first time posting! Next stage of my application for Warfare Officer is the Selection Interview and I just wanted to confirm the training pipeline for Warfare Officer from the beginning of BRNC to post BRNC.

I've used the search function already and have come up with conflicting versions of what appears to be very similar pipelines. From my understanding:

Initial Naval Training (Officer) - Brittania Royal Naval College


Term 1 Militarisation (10 weeks) - Basic Leadership Development (BLD), Assessed Basic Leadership Exercise (ABLE)


Term 2 Marinisation (10 weeks) - Maritime Leadership Development (MLD), Maritime Leadership (MARL)


Term 3 Initial Fleet Time (10 weeks) - 9 weeks IFT on assault ship or carrier + Fleet Board, 1 Week preparation for passing out parade.


I read somewhere that there were 2 weeks at HMS Raleigh for naval military training and Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear and Damage Control training - is this the case? I couldn't find it anywhere else!


Initial Officer Foundation Course (10 weeks) - educational and academic modules at BRNC + 4 week induction course at HMS Collingwood - learn about navigation and small ship handling including introduction to digital navigation charts


Specialist Fleet Time (6-9 months) - Role specific, 900 bridge hours (depends on ship programme) - Navigational Watch Certificate


Initial Warfare Officer Course (13 weeks) - HMS Collingwood, Nav Sea Week, OOD, Comms, DO etc

Opportunity to specialise in Hydrography/Meterology, Mine Warfare, Fighter Command, Navigation, Intelligence, Pilot, Observer etc. after/during general service appointments?

Roughly 10-12 years of service and then PWO course around early 30s?

I'm assuming the timing may be off by a week/month here or there - the IWOC for example seems to vary between 13 and 15 weeks depending on who is posting! Does this look about right or have I completely lost the plot?

Many thanks in advance!

Sparky.
 
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Exprop

Lantern Swinger
Warfare Officer training pipeline

Hi all, first time posting! Next stage of my application for Warfare Officer is the Selection Interview and I just wanted to confirm the training pipeline for Warfare Officer from the beginning of BRNC to post BRNC.

I've used the search function already and have come up with conflicting versions of what appears to be very similar pipelines. From my understanding:

Initial Naval Training (Officer) - Brittania Royal Naval College


Term 1 Militarisation (10 weeks) - Basic Leadership Development (BLD), Assessed Basic Leadership Exercise (ABLE)


Term 2 Marinisation (10 weeks) - Maritime Leadership Development (MLD), Maritime Leadership (MARL)


Term 3 Initial Fleet Time (10 weeks) - 9 weeks IFT on assault ship or carrier + Fleet Board, 1 Week preparation for passing out parade.


I read somewhere that there were 2 weeks at HMS Raleigh for naval military training and Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear and Damage Control training - is this the case? I couldn't find it anywhere else!


Initial Officer Foundation Course (10 weeks) - educational and academic modules at BRNC + 4 week induction course at HMS Collingwood - learn about navigation and small ship handling including introduction to digital navigation charts


Specialist Fleet Time (6-9 months) - Role specific, 900 bridge hours (depends on ship programme) - Navigational Watch Certificate


Initial Warfare Officer Course (13 weeks) - HMS Collingwood, Nav Sea Week, OOD, Comms, DO etc

Opportunity to specialise in Hydrography/Meterology, Mine Warfare, Fighter Command, Navigation, Intelligence, Pilot, Observer etc. after/during general service appointments?

Roughly 10-12 years of service and then PWO course around early 30s?

I'm assuming the timing may be off by a week/month here or there - the IWOC for example seems to vary between 13 and 15 weeks depending on who is posting! Does this look about right or have I completely lost the plot?

Many thanks in advance!

Sparky.

Can anyone confirm if this is still accurate? The official RN site seems to imply that the foundation course at BRNC and the induction at HMS Collingwood no longer take place and have been replaced by a single block of training (IWOC) approximately 2 years after leaving Dartmouth. Does one now simply leave BRNC and go straight to sea as a midshipman?

Searching previous posts is unhelpful because almost all of the information on this site is now out of date. Neither the local AFCO nor the ACLO have been able to give a definitive answer and seem as bewildered by the myriad changes as I am.

If someone knows the current pipeline it would be very useful to know.

Thanks.
 

Jellicoe

Badgeman
Can anyone confirm if this is still accurate? The official RN site seems to imply that the foundation course at BRNC and the induction at HMS Collingwood no longer take place and have been replaced by a single block of training (IWOC) approximately 2 years after leaving Dartmouth. Does one now simply leave BRNC and go straight to sea as a midshipman?

I know the whole thing is in flux a bit. What you outlined is basically my pipeline, except that between IWOF and SFT there were a couple of months doing two courses, IWO(Nav) and AvWar. Even though this wasn't long ago, I rather suspect the pipeline will change before you get there, any quite possibly already has.
 

Exprop

Lantern Swinger
I know the whole thing is in flux a bit. What you outlined is basically my pipeline, except that between IWOF and SFT there were a couple of months doing two courses, IWO(Nav) and AvWar. Even though this wasn't long ago, I rather suspect the pipeline will change before you get there, any quite possibly already has.

Thanks for that :happy11:
 
Hi all,
this thread has helped me out a treat! however, would someone be kind enough to try and clear up the IWO(F) through to IWOC period of training for me please as it seems to be a bit mystified in all of the threads I have read. I understand the nature of IWO(F) but what actually goes on on the IWOC and at what point does the NWC come into play?
All feedback will be much appreciated thank you
 

Tomahawk

Lantern Swinger
Very helpful and I'm assuming that no significant changes have taken place in this pipeline following the BRNC changes. Just one question, is the Initial Officers Foundation Course straight after passing out from BRNC?

Cheers
 
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Guest
Hi all, first time posting! Next stage of my application for Warfare Officer is the Selection Interview and I just wanted to confirm the training pipeline for Warfare Officer from the beginning of BRNC to post BRNC.

I've used the search function already and have come up with conflicting versions of what appears to be very similar pipelines. From my understanding:

Initial Naval Training (Officer) - Brittania Royal Naval College


Term 1 Militarisation (10 weeks) - Basic Leadership Development (BLD), Assessed Basic Leadership Exercise (ABLE)


Term 2 Marinisation (10 weeks) - Maritime Leadership Development (MLD), Maritime Leadership (MARL)


Term 3 Initial Fleet Time (10 weeks) - 9 weeks IFT on assault ship or carrier + Fleet Board, 1 Week preparation for passing out parade.


I read somewhere that there were 2 weeks at HMS Raleigh for naval military training and Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear and Damage Control training - is this the case? I couldn't find it anywhere else!


Initial Officer Foundation Course (10 weeks) - educational and academic modules at BRNC + 4 week induction course at HMS Collingwood - learn about navigation and small ship handling including introduction to digital navigation charts


Specialist Fleet Time (6-9 months) - Role specific, 900 bridge hours (depends on ship programme) - Navigational Watch Certificate


Initial Warfare Officer Course (13 weeks) - HMS Collingwood, Nav Sea Week, OOD, Comms, DO etc


Opportunity to specialise in Hydrography/Meterology, Mine Warfare, Fighter Command, Navigation, Intelligence, Pilot, Observer etc. after/during general service appointments?

Roughly 10-12 years of service and then PWO course around early 30s?

I'm assuming the timing may be off by a week/month here or there - the IWOC for example seems to vary between 13 and 15 weeks depending on who is posting! Does this look about right or have I completely lost the plot?

Many thanks in advance!

Sparky.

Could anyone confirm this is still accurate?

Thanks
 

Exprop

Lantern Swinger
Still broadly accurate. However, fleet time has changed a bit. IFT is now two weeks, I believe.
Please don't underestimate it. My son is doing 3 weeks fleet time (admittedly 1 week is alongside in Portsmouth). He is sure this will equip him well for life in the fleet!
 

Exprop

Lantern Swinger
Not sure if this is sarcasm...
How could it not be?

Can anyone believe that someone can be expected to serve as a Divisional Officer to ratings after only 3 weeks experience of their working life?

It is likely that my son will complete his training as a warfare officer and be assigned to a working warship with no further experience of life aboard than that provided by the bridge simulator at Dartmouth and this 3 week acquaintance period. He may by then be technically competent for his role but he will have no real experience of what life is like as a sailor. That does not seem to me to be adequate training.

I hope the sailors he serves with will be forgiving!
 

Jellicoe

Badgeman
How could it not be?

Can anyone believe that someone can be expected to serve as a Divisional Officer to ratings after only 3 weeks experience of their working life?

It is likely that my son will complete his training as a warfare officer and be assigned to a working warship with no further experience of life aboard than that provided by the bridge simulator at Dartmouth and this 3 week acquaintance period. He may by then be technically competent for his role but he will have no real experience of what life is like as a sailor. That does not seem to me to be adequate training.

I hope the sailors he serves with will be forgiving!

Not entirely true. IFT was never, in my personal opinion, a very professionally worthwhile experience. Your son will pass out of Dartmouth with practically no sea time, but as a warfare officer will still go on to do SFT as warfare officers have in the past and will by no means have completed his training at this point. The seven weeks difference either way are unlikely to make any difference. I know it's been an unpopular move, and one almost unanimously derided in the service, but frankly I think it's all a big fuss about very little, at least as far as warfare training goes.
 
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