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  1. Hello,

    I am looking for advice regarding my son.

    He has applied to join the Royal Navy, has a start date for beginning of February.

    Yesterday he fell getting out of the bath, hitting his head. I have tried to persuade him to seek medical attention, although I have no medical training was always of the opinion, any head injury should be at least examined.

    He refuses to go to doctors or A&E to get checked out. As fears this may impact on his application and joining date.

    Surely it's better to get it checked out and get all clear than risk something later on.

    Would visiting hospital prevent him for starting in February?

    Yours faithfully

    Concerned mother.
  2. Yes he should have gone to a doctor if he lost consciousness or felt nauseous, behaved strangely and has perhaps slept more than usual. You haven't given much indication how serious the bang was, so you might be being a little over cautious.

    Did he lose consciousness? do his pupils look equal in size and reactive to light?

    Edited for spelling
  3. Blackrat

    Blackrat War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Doubtful it would put back his joining date, unless he has fractured his skull or something. Angrydoc would be your man for this question.
  4. Thank you for your quick responses.

    He was 'out cold' for approximately 60-90 seconds.

    He's told me yesterday he had blurry vision. He tells me that's passed today, but still got headache and slightly dizzy.

    All he says now is that he's "fine" but i think that's a dismissive response to get me off his back, typical kids.

    He appears to be suffering from some amnesia, as doesn't remember much before going to bathroom, and some of his conversations today are a bit incoherent and gets confused.

    I barely slept at all last night, as i kept checking on him, he slept OK last night, and is in bed now.

    You're right, i am probably just being overly worried parent, and i suspect doctors will just give him check over and send us on our way with paracetamol.
  5. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    Get him checked out.

    Your not Chico or Ja5ons mummy are you?
  6. He hit his head getting out of the bath? Is he 3?

    Don't worry about him not starting on time, if he has a date it means he has done his medical which means the hospital attendance record will go as far as his GP if it even gets there, the RN won't even see it. Despite what the Guardian would have you believe there is not a brilliantly sophisticated computermejig tracking everyone's every move, not even potential matelots!
  7. That being the case you should get him to the doctors tomorrow morning.

    Tell him there's no shame in seeing a doctor about a medical emergency and having a few days off to recover. It's the navy he's joining not the army after all. :wink:
  8. It's probably best to get checked out to make sure there isn't anything serious going on - very unlikely though. 10% of all emergency department attendances are mild head injuries - ie not requiring admission to hospital.

    It all sounds like a concussion and nothing else will need to be done, but it's best to get someone who knows what they're doing to make the decision. Get up to either your GP or the Emergency Department. As long as there isn't a serious head injury then there will be no repercussions on his entry to the RN. If he does, then he obviously needs to get it sorted asap.

    If he still moans then tell him to stop being a stroppy teenager. If he doesn't have the common sense to seek help when required then he doesn't have the responsibility required to be in the RN.

    Incidentally, to the poster who suggested looking at pupils, pupil size and reaction to light is an awful discriminator of serious and mild head injury. The pupil 'blows' when the pressure in the brain (ie bleeding) is such that the nerve supplying the pupil is squished. If the pupil is blown then there is a very serious head injury. If the pupil is normal then it means nothing.
  9. Blackrat

    Blackrat War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    You see? Also get him to read this fecking page and get it sorted!
  10. I seem to remember signing a form when you arrive for your first day at basic training saying that you have had no medical treatment / illness since being accepted for the RN. (I had a big hole in my hip from a rather spiffing bike crash - hence the reason I remember).

    I can understand his fears, but the only advice can be to get it checked out. If there are no symptoms now, you could try NHS 24 or your GP - they might send you to A and E anyway, but not sure you would get a 'scan' if symptom free.

    The other important point would be what caused him to fall? If he can't remember slipping - he may have 'blacked out' which obviously needs much more investigation.

    Edited to add: I would just 999 (or take him yourself) and get to A and E after reading your second post - I would guess any GP would send him for a scan anyway.
  11. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Just to add my tuppence:

    From an AFCO perspective the welfare of the candidate overrides the needs of the service. In other words we would rather he gets himself checked-out as stated by angrydoc.

    If he needs treatment, then far rather he has it even if it delays his application because if he needs it & doesn't have it, the consequences outweigh the advantages of masking an injury.

    If it's minor then it's of little consequence anyway, nothing lost but 'peace of mind' gained by both himself & his mother.

    It would be foolhardy in the extreme not to get it checked and pretend it never happened because if there is an underlying injury, being in denial doesn't cure it.
  12. You recommend that he hides the fact that he a head injury just so that he can keep his entry date. Bad advice.

    If anything happens to him during training which is a direct result of him not declaring the injury, he could be classed as a fradulent entry, for not disclosing it, and could be dischared as Not Finally Attested (Med). This could hold back his career even further. Hopefully this won't happen but it is far more sensible to get it checked out now and declare it. It might be nothing, but.......
  13. Superstoker

    Dial 999? Why? I am sick of people using emergency ambulances as a taxi service. The only reason to use an emergency ambulance is if there has been some sort if catastrophe resulting in an inability to transport yourself or get someone else to transport you to an Emergency Department.

    Emergency ambulances are not there to ferry people about on a whim.

    All patients in EDs are seen in order if medical need, irrespective of how they arrive. Getting an ambulance will not lead to faster treatment.

    To the OP- go and see your GP if you like but I'm fairly certain you will be referred to an Emergency Physician for assessment: may be faster to rock up at ED. Head injuries are our bread and butter- we'll get it sorted. Let me know if you need further info.
  14. If you actually read my post at no point do I tell him not to get it checked out, I said that if he went to hospital the RN wouldn't automatically find out as that mechanism is not in place. Obviously if he has an op on his head he'd have to tell them, but otherwise, no big deal.

    I was concussed playing rugby recently, I also strained my hamstring in the gym over the summer, the other day I had a bit of a cold and I think I might have coughed during the night - don't worry i'm compiling a detailed diary to present to the RN, I wouldn't want to be considered a "fraudulent entry" would I! - get real!
  15. No. But you did imply that he hide the fact from the Navy and that it wouldn't affect his entry date. You never know.....
  16. rd
    I agree it's not a taxi serivce, but at present he is getting no investigations or treatment, and A and E staff are going to be miffed at how long it took for him to present himself.

    Why 999? - Has he got transport? Can he afford bus / taxi? Is someone avaialable to escort him? Available to escort him now? Is this the third day of symptoms? I would suggest that if you are unable to arrange to get yourself to a and e, then using an ambulance for a head injury is not 'on a whim'. As you well know, 999 calls are prioritised. To get the answers to the above would have taken another day, I would presume a call to NHS 24 / GP would advise the same.

  17. If that's your response to serious advice from recruiters and qualified medical staff I would take a serious look at your attitude before you front up at Raleigh
  18. Unless you know the answer to your questions I don't think you are in a position to recommend an emergency ambulance.

    ED staff, I can assure you, would also be miffed about the inappropriate use of an ambulance.

    NHSD would not recommend an ambulance for a 3-day old injury.

    My belief (and that of a growing number of emergency physicians) is that there should be a nominal charge for the non-essential use of emergency ambulances. This would discourage their abuse, whilst allowing those with genuine medical emergencies free and more rapid access.
  19. It was actually my response to an obnoxious post from another user who seemed to claim that the slightest injury no matter how insignificant would result in you being thrown out as a fraudulent applicant if not declared - that idea is frankly ridiculous and as far as I am aware the person who suggested it is neither a recruiter or medical staff.
  20. I did not say that if he didn't declare it that he would be discharged as a fradulent entry.

    I stated that if "anything happens to him during training which is a direct result of him not declaring the injury", (ie a re-occurrance of concussion etc) that it could affect his suitabily for training.

    As far as I am aware the person who suggested it is neither a recruiter or medical staff.


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