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Community is in shock following the death of an 11-year-old!

As DyslexicRAF said, we all seem to be in agreement. Unfortunately we seem to be concentrating on treating the symptons and not curing the disease. We've allowed a mindset (or "culture as the Media and politicos would have it) to flourish inside our society.

I gave a hint yesterday to what I believe the root cause is. Regrettably, if developed as an argument, some would view it as "racist". Well it's that shyness that's probably got us to where we are. Granted not all these events seem to have that link; the biker slotted on the motorway, for example. There were undertones of extreme violence in macho gangs even when I were a lad. As undesirable as it is, I think that's a sideshow.

We could flood the streets with policemen and fill the prisons pursuing the symptoms of the youth gang crime problem and it would still fester underground. What I do agree with is the claim that our Border is too leaky; both human material. I could take you to a sports shop in Brno, CZ, where you can buy almost any firearm, long and short, over the counter with nothing more than cash and a passport. Another question; did the PIRA destroy all their weapons or were some sold on?
 

Oil_Slick

War Hero
Greenie said:
FLOODQ said:
I live in Dunblane and still we have not learned the lessons of that sad day - Ban the Guns NOW!


We banned the guns-------- as the old saying goes ban guns and only the
criminals will have them.
If it ain't guns--its knives or baseball bats or even cricket bats.

I wonder what the Police will do now--- they are supposedly about to review the Gun Laws--again!!!


:nemo: :nemo:


Yeah, lets ban those banned guns again! :-\\\\


Oh, and for the record… Thomas Hamilton had been thrown out of his local gun clubs and been repeatedly reported to the Assistant Chief Constable as an 'unsuitable person' to possess firearms for many years.

Oddly enough, despite these letters by the Sergeant at Dunblane (he reported Himilton five year BEFORE the massacre), and the Firearms Officers who visited him in regards to his firearms, and despite concerns being raised by the Secretaries of the Gun Clubs Hamilton was thrown out of and every Police Officer who came into contact with Hamilton, McCloed still renewed Hamiltons licence.

http://www.guncrime.org/case_studies.html
 

Seadog

War Hero
Moderator
Re: Community is in shock following the death of an 11-year-

Reference the 'shock v co-operation' imbalance of 'the community' highlighted by sgtpepperband, consider that the community that the victim came from and the community his killer is likely to come from are different and as such are likely to have differing levels of information.
 
Re: Community is in shock following the death of an 11-year-

Seadog said:
Reference the 'shock v co-operation' imbalance of 'the community' highlighted by sgtpepperband, consider that the community that the victim came from and the community his killer is likely to come from are different and as such are likely to have differing levels of information.

I suspect that most are theoretically willing to help the plod in this case but are still concerned that doing so would make them the next victim.
 
A life for a life, we need tougher punishment and less liberalism. We all know it but the government don't have the balls to do anything about it. So this will continue, sad isn't it?
 
One down side of a life for a life would mean that once you have killed there is no deterent to killing again. In this case the killer would be seriously considering killing any one who could testify against him.
 
Re: Community is in shock following the death of an 11-year-

Maxi_77 said:
One down side of a life for a life would mean that once you have killed there is no deterent to killing again. In this case the killer would be seriously considering killing any one who could testify against him.
Yes, it's not a perfect solution, maybe if the feds were doing less paperwork and worrying about getting prosecuted for giving someone a slap they might be better off.
 

slim

War Hero
These problems all occur because too many have no respect for either the law or other peoples rights.
Until this problem is resolved then killings, muggings and rapes will continue.
 
I'm rarely shocked anymore when I hear about another stabbing or shooting, but this one did, I cannot believe anyone would randomly pick an innocent 11 year old boy on his way home from football practice, to be shot dead. So that the murderer on the BMX could gain respect from his "crew"? As the poor lad's mum said, where are the parents? How can you let your sprog go around the streets with a gun? They must have some idea of what their son is into.

As D-RAF said, before long vigilantes will soon be picking up where the police are failing, and will be copper, judge, jury and executioner. Something which is even more worrying as they are usually the idiots who confuse paediatrician with paedophile. It is time now that the government start listening to the people, harsh punishments in prison, not plasma tvs and access to porn (as happened in one prison in Kent). Prison needs to be somewhere people are really scared of going, because at the moment, they don't seem to be.

Human Rights are EARNT by Human Responsibilities.
 

Scouse_Scribes

Lantern Swinger
Re: Community is in shock following the death of an 11-year-

At last it seems they have got some b$%£*&d for this terrible crime

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/6968363.stm

Lets hope

a. they got the right scrote

b. they throw away the key

But knowing the all the nimbys who will take over now, the scrote's human rights will be brought to the forefront and he will be given a slap on the wrist.

They should hang the little s*&t

It was quite moving watching the run up to the Liverpool-Toulouse game, one very brave family.
 

scousesubmariner

Lantern Swinger
Re: Community is in shock following the death of an 11-year-

mate i'm a die hard toffee and i will never give the Red $hite credit for anything but last night i did doff my steaming cap for the gesture, did you see the everton v blackburn game on satday the reception the family got was amazing if you want then send a message to this link:

mailto:[email protected]
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
As one of a rare breed ,originally from Liverpool, but with no interest in football, I was moved by the Liverpool FC tribute to the bereaved family. For once football, it appears in this instance, to be a beacon of virtue - an act long overdue.

If the 15 year old arrested was in fact the person that pulled the trigger, I'm sad to say that I doubt he'll be successfully prosecuted for murder. It will be argued that it was not a pre-meditated attack on the young boy as the shots were not intended to hit him. Doubtless it will be argued that anyone who fires a weapon, regardless of intent, is guilty of murder in such circumstances, but sadly I doubt it will stick.

Hope I'm wrong.
 
Re: Community is in shock following the death of an 11-year-

Scouse_Scribes said:
But knowing the all the nimbys who will take over now, the scrote's human rights will be brought to the forefront and he will be given a slap on the wrist.

They should hang the little s*&t

Agreed!

Liberal leftist filth FTL :threaten:
 
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